June 11, 2012

Pistols at Dawn: 5 Steps for Discussing Doctrine Amicably

by Clint Archer

The seminary cafeteria can be a veritable gunslinger’s saloon of theological repartee. Quick minds, earnest souls, armed to the teeth with truth, and packing Greek lexicons loaded to draw exegetical blood, can look to the casual observer as volatile as the OK Corral.

It’s all good-natured, of course; just a herd of young bucks sharpening skills for future battles to contend for the faith, defend the flock, and refute error. Christians are all on the same team. After the shoot-out is diffused by that recollection the contenders shake hands and buy each other drinks (lattés usually) while regaling each other with stories of Mormons they’d wrangled.

But sometimes the sparring leaves darker bruises than were intended. Precautions need to be in place to maintain love and unity in the midst of debate.

Here are five house rules for having edifying debates with other believers…

1. Love the person, not your position.

Do you relish theological debate? Do you notice that your conversational repertoire possesses a marked predilection toward heated deliberations? Does what starts off as a civil bout of spirited parlay tend deteriorate into a gloves-off fracas of unedifying verbal kickboxing? Probably not. But I’m sure you have at least encountered this particular species of believer.

Jesus tended to bypass the defense of a postion, and instead go after the soul of the person to whom He was talking. One example is in Luke 6:3 when He asks the Sabbatarian Pharisees– who were picking on his disciples for picking grain for a fast-food snack on a Saturday– if they had not read about King David’s unlawful fast-food snacking on the showbread. Instead of Jesus proving His position by flipping to Exodus 20 and showing how the Sabbath was not being violated, He chooses to probe their inconsistent standards. He goes for the heart, not the jugular.

 

2. Approach the discussion with the humility to be corrected if you are wrong.

This humble attitude secured a clandestine audience with, and a tender gospel presentation from Jesus. Nicodemus opens the discussion with Jesus respectfully in John 3:2 acknowledging that although his party of Pharisees opposed Jesus, Nicodemus was willing to concede that he may be wrong. This is a way of loving your neighbor, securing grace from God (who opposes the proud), and opens your mind to evaluate objectively your preconceived ideas.

1 Cor 8:1 knowledge puffs up but love builds up.

Did God give you this knowledge so you can bludgeon other believers with it to make yourself look taller? You may know more, or you may be wrong. Have the humility to admit that that either way, — even if ”I understand all mysteries and all knowledge, … but have not love, I am nothing” (1 Cor 13:2).

 

3. Ask, don’t argue.

Questions help you understand exactly what your counterpart means. This prevents you arguing a point that you may have misunderstood.

Again Nicodemus is a good example of one who asks the question “How can a man be born again, he cannot enter into his mother’s womb a second time can he?”

Nicodemus didn’t just argue that it was too late for him, he asked if Jesus thought it was still possible.

 

 

4. Remember your journey.

John Newton explained in his winsome way:

I have been thirty years forming my own views; and, in the course of this time, some of my hills have sunk, and some of my valleys have risen: but, how unreasonable within me to expect all this should take place in another person; and that, in the course of a year or two.

 

Another example is the Apostle Paul who persecuted Christians, and was later himself persecuted. He could not harbor animosity toward his persecutors who were–like he had been– “not yet” Christians.

1 Tim 1:13 Though formerly I was a blasphemer, persecutor, and insolent opponent. But I received mercy because I had acted ignorantly in unbelief … 16 But I received mercy for this reason, that in me, as the foremost, Jesus Christ might display his perfect patience as an example to those who were to believe in him for eternal life.

 

5. Open your Bible.

Paul didn’t show up in a new town and present a take-it-or-leave-it lecture with a my-way-or-the-highway attitude. He “reasoned with them from the Scriptures… explaining and proving…” (Acts 17:1-3).

 

I’m not saying these steps will convince your opponent to alter their position, but it will remind you that other believers are not really opponents. You are partners. And hopefully it leaves you unscathed by your interaction. If you can’t stick to the house rules, then don’t enter the saloon.

 

Clint Archer

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Clint is the pastor of Hillcrest Baptist Church. He and his expanding troop of Archers live near Durban, South Africa (and pity anyone who doesn't). When he is off duty from CGate, his alter ego blogs at Café Seminoid, clintarcher.com
  • Dave Johnson

     

    Apologize for the lengthy quote from John MacArthur’s exposition of 1 Cor 8:1 … but it seemed to preach to the principle of knowing why we have been given knowledge … helps to point our pistols of truth at the right goal … love.

    “Now, the Corinthians had a puff-up problem, believe me. Paul uses the term
    puff up seven times in the New Testament, six times to describe the
    Corinthians. They were really proud – proud about their knowledge. They knew
    everything…You’re really puffed up. Knowledge just makes people proud. You
    know why? Knowledge alone…knowledge alone turns and stops on me. Knowledge
    alone is self-gratification. Knowledge terminates on me. Knowledge ends right here
    with me. I know.

    It’s like Isaiah 47:10.
    It’s a really funny verse. It says, “Thy wisdom and thy knowledge has
    perverted thee.” And then it says this, “And thou hast said in thine
    heart, ‘I am, and none else beside me.’” What a statement. “I am, and
    none else beside me.” That’s a God complex…but that’s what knowledge
    does. The starting point was right. You have to have knowledge. They began with
    sound doctrine. They began with knowledge of the Scripture, but that isn’t the
    end of it.

    Turn to the 13th chapter of 1 Corinthians, and I’ll show you something.
    Verse 1, and here Paul hits at their pride again. “Though I speak with the
    tongues of men and of angels, or the languages of men and angels, though I can
    speak human languages and though I can communicate with angels, and have not
    love, I am nothing but a banging gong and a tinkling cymbal.” That’s
    pretty indiscriminant. You ever heard a gong? Doesn’t really have a lot to say.
    Look at verse 2. “I may have the gift of prophecy, and understand all
    mysteries and all knowledge, and then I may have all faith, so that I could
    remove mountains.” Imagine that kind of faith. Imagine having all
    mysteries, all knowledge, and all things, “And have not love, I
    am…what?…zero.” Absolutely nothing.

    Now listen, people, knowledge terminates at me. Love terminates at you, and
    that’s the difference. Knowledge must issue in love. Knowledge puffs up. Love
    builds up. Love reaches out and cares about you and strengthens you, because
    love terminates on you. Knowledge terminates on me. As I said earlier,
    knowledge is essential, but it is insufficient… Philippians 1:9,
    “This I pray, that your love may abound yet more and more in
    knowledge.” You see, here Paul ties love and knowledge together. It
    doesn’t do you a bit of good to know everything if you don’t love anybody; and
    it doesn’t do you any good to know something is within your rights, and to just
    fire away and do it no matter what anybody thinks.

    • http://www.clintarcher.com/ Clint

      Exactly. That’s what I would have said if I were, well, MacArthur.

  • Guest

    My adult son and I need to have a heart-to-heart this week –  not on matters of doctrine but on relational issues. I think your suggestions will be helpful and applicable to that meeting as well. Thank you.

    • http://www.clintarcher.com/ Clint

      I hope it helps. You’re right that these principles can be applied to any discussion. 

  • Pearl

    When debating matters of Scripture with others, let us humbly keep in mind how it is we got  knowledge in the first place.  

    “But unto us God revealed them through the Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.”   1 Corinthians 2:10  ESV

    And lest we debate ourselves into a tizzy, forget not that there is mystery in God’s ways that cannot be, and is not is intended to be, fully apprehended with these amazing minds God has given us. Matthew Henry reminds us of this in his commentary: 

    “There are things God hath prepared for those that love him, and wait for
    him, which sense cannot discover, no teaching can convey to our ears,
    nor can it yet enter our hearts. We must take them as they stand in the
    Scriptures, as God hath been pleased to reveal them to us.”

    • http://www.clintarcher.com/ Clint

      Thanks for sharing, Pearl

  • MMJ

    Thank you for this Clint. 

    - A great dose of a healthy reminder. 

    Nothing worse than a quarrelsome, pugnacious servant of the Lord, who resembles a German shepherd more than that of an under-shepherd.  

    • http://www.clintarcher.com/ Clint

      Well said and amen.

  • Drewsparks42

    Just last monday I had a very tough discussion with a longtime friend and former student who recently changed his position on the rapture.  So we sat down and discussed it, neither satisfied by the other’s arguments, but it brought up something that I am concerned about and I was wondering if you could please give your input. 

    What is the difference in discussing your convictions with a strong belief that you are right and discussing your convictions with arrogance?  At times I felt that I was being talked down to (and even told that holding a pretrib view does not allow me to pray for endurance like Jesus told the disciples in Matthew 24-25, making me disobedient to Jesus’ command, but that is another issue) and spoken to in a very arrogant way, but then I had to ask myself if I look the same way during a conversation?  How can I make sure that I do not come across as arrogant even though I solidified in my position? 

    And maybe even a tougher question, how do you come alongside a brother who you feel is arrogant/proud in his position when it is different than yours?  This would seem to be a very difficult task. 

    I hope this makes sense and I would appreciate a response.  Thank you again for your wise and helpful post. 

    • http://www.clintarcher.com/ Clint

      I’ll give it some thought before answering. Gotta run and don’t wann short change you.

    • Dave Johnson

       Been pondering this question. Its a very good question.  Two texts come to mind: “Some indeed preach Christ even from envy and strife, and some also from goodwill: the former preach Christ from selfish ambition, not sincerely, supposing to add affliction to my chains; but the latter out of love, knowing that I am appointed for the defense of the gospel” Phil. 1:15-17.  The other text is Phil 2:1-5 where Paul commands the Philippians to “fulfill my joy by being like minded…”  The keys improving fellowship are having the “mind of Christ” (2:5) driven by the “affections” of Christ (1:8 and 2:1). In other words we draw our confidence from Christ who “… begun a good work in you (you, me, the believer you’re talking too) will complete it until the day of Jesus Christ (1:6).  Paul’s “convictions” were expressed in confessions of love and truth (1:9) and demonstrated by his godly “conduct” towards others in very trying circumstances (chained to Roman guard while receiving affliction from prideful brothers).  I know these are “pat” answers … to a very real problem in the church.  It takes a lifetime to learn patience (See also 2 Tim. 2:24-26). Also looking forward to Clint’s answer … as I have been wrestling with this question too … it is a difficult task!  But one worthy of learning well!

    • http://www.clintarcher.com/ Clint

      This is a tough one. I’ll handle the second part of your question first. I have witnessed very godly and learned professors answering extremely arrogant 1st year seminoids who were disgracefully disrespectful. The professors won the argument in the sight of the onlookers by maintaining composure, quiet tone of voice, humble attitude, and asking questions. 

      A for how to have conviction without seeming arrogant, is a matter I need to be humble enough to admit I struggle with. I love truth, and am pretty convinced in my views. This confidence is very easily conveyed as arrogance. I think the best thing to do is pray before the discussion, and even during it, and also to ask lots and lots of questions. I find that when a person asks me questions, which force me to think about my view, that makes me come up with the answers myself rather than them shove the answers in my face. So I think next time I discuss doctrine I will ask them to come to the conclusions, or at least ask “How would you see this if you looked at from my point of view?” Then say “So you see why I believe this.”
      I’m clutching at straws here though. Nate and Jesse are Jedi masters at this. Perhaps you should mail them!

      • Drewsparks42

        Thank you Clint and Dave for your help.  I know it is a tough issue and each thing has to be taken case by case. 

        Clint, your example of the Seminary prof made a lot of sense and gave me a picture of what I want to look like, and it is funny because this student just finished his first year of college at Masters and came back posttrib….go figure. 

        I want my passion and conviction to come across in love for his soul and I desire for doctrinal unity to be achieved.  Unfortunately, the conversation didn’t end as well as I would have liked and I would like to continue discussion with him.  I will make sure to ask thought provoking questions as that seems to be the key to having helpful dialogue.  Thank you for your consideration on these questions. 

  • Truth Unites… and Divides

    Here are five house rules for having edifying debates with other believers…

    Hi Pastor Archer,

    How about a post on five house rules for having edifying debates with folks who call themselves believers but who you reasonably speculate, judge, and discern are not genuine Spirit-filled, fruit-bearing disciples and followers of Jesus?

    Example:  Suppose you meet a Liberal Social Jusice Protestant who supports gay marriage and abortion, and that God is good with modern sexual behavior, and who by way of conversation, you reasonably infer doesn’t believe in the Authority of Scripture, and who doesn’t really have a grasp of what the Biblical definition of sin is except that sin is really what the Religious Right does and that anything that makes people feel bad is terrible intolerance.  These Liberal Protestants tell themselves and others that they are believers of a Loving Jesus and that they convey the inclusive Love of Jesus much better than the dogmatic, unloving, fundamental literalists and judgmental Pharisees of the Religious Right.

    What are five house rules for having edifying debates with these professing believers?  Would pastor James MacArthur be a good example of how to have an edifying debate with such professing believers?

    • Truth Unites… and Divides

      I meant John MacArthur, not James MacArthur.  At least I knew it started with a “J”.

      • Larry

        Truth Unites…We don’t always have to have an answer for everybody. If a person is “all over the place” in their Biblical Christianity, conclusions relative to the “heart” of the conversation, may never occur.

    • http://www.clintarcher.com/ Clint

      I’m planning a post one when to walk away from an argument. I trust that will answer your question more fully. The short answer is: discern whether there is a chance of real progress in the understanding of the people in the debate, or if people have already made up their minds. Stay away from “wrangling over words” or unedifying quarrels, etc. There are certain “discussion” not open to discussion :)

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    • threegirldad

       [glares at fingers and keyboard]

      That was supposed to be preceded by, “Well said; thank you!”

      • http://www.clintarcher.com/ Clint

        Ha. You’re welcome; and thanks for that link, it’s an excellent piece, “On Controversy” and well worth the read.

        • Ben Coussens

          Great post Clint! I just had one question for you. I have an acquaintance with someone I do believe is a brother in Christ but he always seems to be instigating a theological fisticuffs if you will. He will always say something highly controversial and sometimes will say something that is flat out hurtful to others and then defend his position without regard to how he is perceived. In this situation would you just to not engage him ever? Or do you feel its appropriate to continually bring to his attention that the demeanor and attitude he is displaying is unkind and not Christlike?

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  • Dan

    Clint, you got a haircut! I dig the new bio pic. 

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