July 17, 2012

Love wins, one year later

by Jesse Johnson

Rob bellIt has been just 16 months since Rob Bell’s Love Wins was released. The book, which seeks to undermine the biblical doctrine of eternal punishment, was roundly rejected by evangelical leaders (see here, here, or here). But in college ministries across the country, it had the effect of introducing ambiguity where there was previously certainty.

Today, Rob Bell has left his church, and moved to Los Angeles where he is “working on other creative projects,” and thus proving Jesus’ words that wisdom is vindicated by her children. Those projects are as of yet undisclosed, but there are rumors of a TV show about his life.

As for the theology about eternal punishment, I don’t know of any churches that have changed their doctrinal statements as a result of Bell’s book. He may have introduced ambiguity into the hearts of Christians, but—as of now—it seems like the doctrine of eternal punishment withstood its latest attack.

It is helpful to remember why Christians believe in eternal punishment. I’m not talking about the theological reasons, of which there are many. I’m talking about the biblical reasons. This is a doctrine that is so horrible that nobody would accept it or teach it willingly. It takes more than deductive reasoning to get people to embrace the concept that the majority of people who have ever been born are now in hell, and that they will be there forever. As Robert Peterson in Hell on Trial points out, there are really two kinds of Christians: those that have entertained doubts about the eternal nature of hell, and those that have not seriously thought about the implications of the doctrine. Even Wyane Grudem points out that “if our hearts are not moved with deep sorrow when we contemplate this doctrine, then there is a serious deficiency in our spiritual and emotional sensibilities.”

Because of the reluctance with which most people hold this doctrine, it is not as if the arguments that are put forward in Bell’s book are going to be persuasive. If sound and biblical thinkers could be persuaded out of believing in hell, they would abandon the doctrine. Most people who hold to the doctrine do so not because they want to, but they have simply been overwhelmed by the biblical evidence. For me at least, this is how my thoughts go: “I don’t want to believe in hell, and I can’t imagine the horrors of it, and I can’t imagine how and why it would endure forever and ever, but the Bible is so clear that this is the case, and I am bound to believe what the Scripture teaches.”

What are the main Scripture passages that describe hell as eternal? This list is not comprehensive, but are the ones that I think are most clear:

• OT Prophecy: The most well known passage in the OT on hell is at the end of Isaiah. There, the prophet describes hell as being visible in the eternal state, and notes that “Their maggots will never die, their fire will never go out, and they will be a horror to all mankind” (Isa 66:24). The context of this passage is important. Isaiah is describing how at salvation, the old is gone and the new will be there (Isa 65:17). In that place, where people dwell with God forever, the torment of hell will be real and ever present. Then, to seal this imagery, Jesus quotes these words in Mark 9:48, using the Greek word that indicates that this fire is indeed eternal. Daniel describes hell as eternal as well (Dan 12:2), and this is another verse that is repeated by Jesus.

• Jesus: Our savior describes the fire as hell as “unquenchable” (Mark 9:43). He describes hell as eternal when he explains that at final judgment he will say to those on their way to hell “Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the Devil and his angels!” (Matt 25:41). Later he compares the eternality of hell to the eternality of heaven (Matt 25:46).

• NT Prophecy: The Apostle John describes the smoke of hell as ascending “forever and ever.” In that same passage (Rev 14:11) the smoke is explicitly connected to the torment of those suffering, and is then compared to the endurance of the saints. So the torments of hell last as long as the endurance of those who are saved. This imagery is repeated later—and applied to demons and the devil as well—in Rev 19:3 and 20:10. Later in Rev., it is clear that throughout the new heaven and new earth, there are those outside the city who are being punished by torment (eg. Rev 22:14), so that as long as heaven exists, this description stands.

At the very least, the Bible ties the duration of those that worship God to the duration of those that are punished in hell by God. It is not a happy truth, but it does continually provoke us to be more thankful for his grace and mercy, and that thankfulness will apparently grow even throughout eternity.

Jesse Johnson

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Jesse is the Teaching Pastor at Immanuel Bible Church in Springfield, VA.
  • http://almostreadytogoamish.blogspot.com/ Rational νεόφυτος

    Hey, the “here, here, or here” links don’t work, but maybe I just showed up early to the party.  :)

    As a struggling annihialationist, what I’ve had difficulties with in Scripture is drawing the distinction between the nature/distinctives of hell itself as being eternal (“the fire never quenched”) versus the eternal, conscience torment being eternal.  The apostle Paul describes the wages of sin as ‘death’, not lingering, endless pain for eternity.  Additionally, why would Jesus use language of ‘destruction’ to describe hell? (Matt. 10:28).  If the soul “can” be destroyed in hell, then… is it?

    I believe in the imputation of Christ’s righteousness for my sinfulness, in that Christ took upon himself the full burden of my sins on the cross.  But here’s where I puzzle:  was Christ tormented for all eternity upon the cross?  Or did he take upon himself the final DEATH that I deserve?  If my sins deserve *eternal* punishments, how was the *eternal* weight of my sins paid on the cross?

    Not defending Bell by any means, but rather just sharing some of my struggles with what Scripture actually teaches about the duration of hell.  I know I’m in a minority view, but there’s part of me that categorizes “eternal hell” as another papist distortion of scripture, similar to sprinking water on babies and calling it a “sacrament”.  It’s been taught for a long time, but it doesn’t necessarily mean that it jives with God’s word.

    • http://thecripplegate.com Jesse Johnson

      The links are up and running. Thanks for pointing that out.

      Thanks for your comment. But I can’t help but point out that you questioned the applicability of a verse that I didn’t even cite. That is pretty much what Bell does in Love Wins as well. He doesn’t really interact with the main verses, but finds verses that are secondary, and shows how they don’t really apply. Did you you look at the verses I cited above? I’m not asking you to sign a card and walk an isle right now about the eternal nature of hell, but I’d encourage you to examine those verses. Specifically Isaiah, which talks about their suffering being eternal, and Matt 25, which compares it to the length of eternal life. 

    • Gabriel Powell

      “If my sins deserve *eternal* punishments, how was the *eternal* weight of my sins paid on the cross?”

      Just a brief response. Our sins deserve an infinite (eternal) punishment because we have sinned against an infinite God. Just as a punch in the face deserves differing punishment depending on whether the victim is a homeless man or the President, *who* we’ve sinned against determines the nature of the punishment.

      Jesus, as the infinite God-man, could take upon Himself the God-satisfying punishment it would have taken us an eternity to fulfill.

      • Jason

        although I agree hell is eternal, I would like to know where in Scripture we have this “logic’s” i dotted and t crossed? “Our sins deserve an infinite (eternal) punishment because we have sinned against an infinite God.”

    • http://www.facebook.com/lessofme Paul Abeyta

      I understand (I think) your struggle and puzzle as the doctrine of hell goes against what we may, in our flesh think is not fair. This statement though that you made is a bit confusing, but I think I understand it – ”
      But here’s where I puzzle:  was Christ tormented for all eternity upon the cross?  Or did he take upon himself the final DEATH that I deserve?  If my sins deserve *eternal* punishments, how was the *eternal* weight of my sins paid on the cross?” 

      You aren’t meaning time on the cross obviously (that was obviously short). You are correct that our sins deserve an eternal punishment (Jesse pointed that out and that the punishment is eternal) and the reason this is so, is because our offenses/rebellion is against an Eternal God. Our every sin is an offense  against His eternal holiness. God is just and fair then to punish us for eternity and the Son who is also eternal is sufficient to satisfy such a punishment in Himself for all who would believe. That’s how Jesus is able to satisfy the wrath of eternal God in His substitutionary sacrifice. The “eternal weight” is met in His eternal obedience. 

      I think we often downplay the seriousness of our sin and in that – the holiness of our Lord.

      *oops…didn’t notice Gabriel’s response :/

  • Dave Dunbar

    When thinking about hell — and the most difficult pair of sermons I’ve ever done was on that subject — I remind myself of 2 things:
    2) we do not and can not comprehend the utter sinfulness of sin
    1) we do not and can not comprehend the holiness of God

    Someday, those things will be clear(er), and hell will (I think) make sense.  God will be glorified in the demonstration of ALL His attributes, including His wrath.  And if we care to accept it, that is a good thing.

    • Heather

      Amen!

  • AStev

    The thought of eternal, conscious suffering is tempered by the comforting knowledge that God is just, holy, and loving.   He will do right.

    I do think when all is said and done, “when the roll is called up yonder”, the redeemed in the new heavens & new earth will substantially outnumber those suffering in hell.

    • http://thecripplegate.com Jesse Johnson

      I agree that the Lord will do what is right. I’ll question your second statement though. Jesus said that the path that leads to eternal life is narrow, and there are few that find it, while the path that leads to destruction is wide and many are on it. And if you simply look at the size of the church in the world, even if you count professing believers, you are confronted with the fact that the vast majority of people who have lived were not even exposed to the gospel, much less believed in Jesus by faith. 

      • AStev

        It does require a somewhat optimistic eschatology, I’ll admit.

  • http://mriccardi.blogspot.com Mike Riccardi

    Thanks Jesse. This is a great reminder not to ignore the biblical texts in favor of theological discussion. Both are important — indeed, necessary — but it’s helpful to be reminded that the theology rests on and proceeds from the text, and not the other way around.

    Of course, the theology is important, because (good) theology is an effort to deal with all of the biblical data and coordinate each text’s teaching with the rest. Given that, when considering the eternality of the punishment to be endured in hell, I’ve found it helpful to realize that the Bible measures the proper punishment for sin by the One sinned against. All sin is fundamentally sin against God, and He is infinitely holy. Therefore, sin against an infinitely holy God demands an infinite punishment. His glory is so worthy of worship and honor, that to fail to worship and honor Him in any way that is not commensurate with His worth is a failure that righteously incurs eternal torment. So, punishment is eternal (infinite) because God is actually that righteous (infinitely).

    Also, I don’t think you were saying this, but a lot of folks have concluded, “I don’t like the doctrine of hell, but I believe it anyway because the Bible teaches it.” I think that’s better than not believing it because you don’t like it, but that’s not where we should settle. Kevin DeYoung’s post on this is really spot-on: “It’s a good sign when we take our stand on the Bible even when we’d prefer to take our stand somewhere else. But it’s a better sign when we take our stand on the Bible and learn to love where the Bible stands.”

    • http://thecripplegate.com Jesse Johnson

      I receive that. I guess I find myself still in the first half of DeYoung’s statement, and recognize I would do better to press on to the second half. Thanks Mike. 

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  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XRRVOZ4R6XDPEVXEKTFUOCG5ZM C Lynn

    Thanks for article! Shared portion on my blog and linked to cripple gate.  God bless, brother.

  • Linda Mac Donald

    It is easy for people to believe in eternal life. But it’s not easy that people believe in eternal torment in hell.  Unless of course people begin to understand that God is HOLY… That God is Just and Righteous and we have offended God’s holy character beyond our capacity to even grasp… If we understood how holy God is we’d realize that eternal torment IS just…

    I believe what the word of God actually teaches that torment in hell is eternal-”their worm will not die and the fire is never quenched”

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