October 26, 2011

Freedom of the Will and the Five Finger Death Punch of Theology

At some point in nearly every debate about “who does what” in salvation a certain phrase is dropped which strikes fear into the heart of all involved. “I believe men have free will.” Like a triple dog dare issued on a schoolyard, people back up to give the concept space. The discussion of free will is an intensely polarizing subject. It’s more often put forward as a theological trump card against Calvinism than any other concept. “More moderate” theological constructs may take refuge within its walls. For many it is the final and insurmountable fall back defense against the logical minions of Reformed theology. Free will is the mother of all theological comebacks.

In the realm of debate the issuance of free will is a classic emotional appeal intended to play upon the sympathies of the listener. For certain, it is palpable. Within this discussion it is the emotional equivalent of setting a basket of puppies in front of an oncoming and uncaring steamroller of hard determinism. Who would dare advance against a reality as noble as man’s capacity to freely choose and love God? Who would dare trample over the treasured premises that underlie free will?

Free will as a doctrine (men have/retain the capacity to choose God) is intended to protect the quality of love between God and sinner. If it is not a free choice it cannot be real love. If it is not real love it was not a real choice. This sequence eventually leads to the five-finger death punch of theological debate, “Are we just a bunch of robots?” Free will and its corollaries pin the opponent down in an (apparent) inescapable contradiction between sincere love and unfeeling predestination. How can one possibly object to freewill without appearing as the Ebenezer Scrooge of theology? Debate over. Right? Not hardly. “Bah humbug!”

When that moment comes – and people are expecting you to hand over your doctrinal pink slip – simply say the following: “No one believes in free will. Not even you. You simply haven’t thought about what you’re saying.” Then sit back and enjoy the look on your friend’s face as you move the goal posts of the debate to an undisclosed location. He won’t see it coming. I love that moment. I realize this sounds presumptuous and arrogant (How can I possibly know what someone is thinking?), but it’s true. Those who refer to freewill in such context usually haven’t thought through the concept. If they understood it properly, they would not offer it in such ways. There is no basket of puppies. There is no steamroller. It’s a false dilemma.

Fact is, free will is one of the more notorious misnomers in church history. Most Christians, even those who hold it, misunderstand it. This is relatively easy to prove. Consider the following illustration. You know the expression, “She eats like a bird?” When we use it we think we’re saying something like, “She’s rail thin and barely eats anything.” We intend it as a compliment. But, birds actually eat ten times their body weight on a daily basis. They are the virtual “pigs” of the sky. Believe me, it’s not a compliment. Point is – we think we’re saying one thing, but are actually saying the exact opposite. We simply don’t understand what we are talking about. If we did, we’d stop saying it. It’s the same way with “I believe men have free will.” We think we are defending the essence of grace and the Gospel, but are actually denying it. We’ve simply not thought it through.

No one, not even secular philosophers, believe in the freedom of the will. Technically speaking & from the materialistic perspective, freedom of the will is an impossibility. You only need to consider the premise for a moment. “Freedom of the will” is the belief that the human will is uninfluenced by anything other than itself. When it comes to freedom of the will no external circumstance is involved. The will is free. It is self-determined. It is moved purely by its own inclinations. Which ultimately means your will is not inclined to make any decision based on a preference, or the surrounding environment. It is uninfluenced. Therefore, it is “free” to choose whatever it desires without consideration of any particular object, or its quality. In fact, it has to be this way for free will to actually exist. Otherwise, if it’s not uninfluenced, some other force would have sway over the will. It would not be free.

If your will is truly free, it simply chooses without concern for any given object. If it faces two objects, it may choose either without partiality. Philosophers and theologians refer to this as the Law of Contrary Choice. In order for the will to be free, (and a choice to be legitimate) it must have the opportunity to refuse, or choose between two objects without a preference for either.

Imagine you have two bowls before you. One is full of your favorite flavor of Haagen Dazs (“favorite” is impossible according to free will, but we’ll go with it anyway). The other is full of cottage cheese. According to the premise of freewill, you must not only be able to choose either, but you must also be able to desire them equally. Of course, this would never happen. This scenario is a logical absurdity. So is free will in the truest sense of the concept. You will have a preference. You can’t avoid having one. There’s no way you could. Even if you’ve never tasted either, there would be something influencing your decision. You will prefer one more than the other and will choose one based on your preference. In this sense, your will is not absolutely free. Fact is, every choice we make is partly determined by something outside of our will. Speaking exclusively from the materialistic perspective, it’s the way the universe is designed.

Given the above reality, it seems odd that the most ardent defense of free will surrounds man’s participation in his own salvation. If it’s an impossibility on the temporal level logically, how much more impossible with regard to salvation on the spiritual? The scriptural message of impossibility is undeniable. (Romans 3:9-18; Eph 2:1-5) This is the very reason the Bible also uses the images of “new birth” and “resurrection” to describe what takes place. It had to be done to us. Our wills had to be brought back to life.

By proposing free will in salvation we may think we are defending the essence of the Gospel, but we are in fact denying it. Most who hold to free will assume they are preserving the quality of love between Savior and sinner, but are in fact diluting it. If you add free will to the equation it actually marginalizes the Gospel. The Gospel was necessary- exactly and specifically – because man did not have the capacity to bring himself to God. Such is God’s love. Jesus died because we could not save ourselves in any sense of the word. The Gospel is about a rescue mission and not about lending man a helping hand in his search for God.

To state it completely, it was the absence of freewill (total depravity) which necessitated the incarnation, death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ. There is no Gospel where there is free will. He came into the world to save us principally because we lacked the free will to save ourselves, not because we possessed it. We were “dead in our trespasses.” Free will does not assist in defending the Gospel it does away with the need for it.

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  • John

    “The Gospel is about a rescue mission and not about lending man a helping hand in his search for God” — Why is it so hard for so many to get this message? Is it pride? Thanks for this post. Blessings!

  • Brent

    I am definitely in the “election camp”, so I’m not arguing with you, but I don’t understand the assumption that free will means the ability to choose without any preference. I get your point that there is never a time where we don’t have a preference and agree. But I think the argument would be whether or not you had the ability to choose one way or another or whether you had no choice at all.

    Jesus said “No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him.” So when the Father “draws” us, do we have any choice? Is it an influence towards Him or is it such a strong force that we cannot resist it?

    I believe I know the answer, but I think that is in essence the root of the argument.

    • John

      “No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him.” It is irressistable grace indeed. When Jesus said “Lazarus, come out”, I am pretty sure he did not have a choice. :)

    • http://mriccardi.blogspot.com Mike Riccardi

      That’s a great question, Brent. The answer is that it is such a strong force that we cannot resist it.

      But the nature of irresistible grace is often misunderstood. God’s sovereign act of regeneration removes our blindness to the glory of Christ (2Cor 4:4, 6). At that point, we finally see sin for what it truly is and Jesus for who He truly is. And so now, with restored sight, Jesus looks so much better than our sin. With our eyes truly opened, we could never choose anything but Jesus. It’s not against our will, at that point; it’s that our will has been sovereignly changed.

      Grace is irresistible because Jesus, rightly seen, is irresistible.

    • Gabriel Powell

      “I don’t understand the assumption that free will means the ability to choose without any preference.”

      It’s simply the idea that if you prefer one option, then your will is bound to your preference and is therefore not free in and of itself. In order for the will to be “free,” it must be unaffected by anything.

  • Pete

    Great stuff! Thanks. I “will” be thinking about this all day.

  • Brad

    I tried my best to read and understand this post. It was really well-written, but I think I will file this subject, and most of the fine nuances of Calvinism and philosophy, under the Psalm 131:2 category:

    “I do not concern myself with great matters or things too wonderful for me.”

    Brad

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mark-Vivian-Etherington/566840621 Mark Vivian Etherington

    Wow!!! that was about the most thought provoking and sensible argument regarding the free will of man (that he doesn’t have) that I have ever read!! It provoked my thoughts to consider that this provides explanation for how God can love us indiscriminately and choose whom He will choose without bias or preference, because he has a free will of His own that is neither swayed one way or another by our deeds or words.

    I now realize how arrogant I am to think I can think and choose on my own free will as though I am independent of my Creator. I may behave disengaged from my Creator (in my thinking) but God still holds the reins of my life. I can’t get away from Him as hard as I might try and as deep into rebellion as I might go. Those are humbling thoughts that draw me back to realize my entire being is reliant on God, Christ, Jesus, the Holy Spirit…

    Wow!!!! Thanks for the enlightenment!!

  • Brian Wyatt

    If anyone is reading this and is struggling with it, just think about your first birth. Do you decide not to be birthed? Did you resist that pushing and drawing forth from the womb? Although there is a violent struggle I don’t think you really have a choice to come forth.
    Think about this: Do you remember speaking to your mother, “No mother, I refuse to be come forth”? Jesus teaches Nicodemus that we must be born again. So we should not be marveled at the fact that Jesus uses the birthing scenario as he is explaining salvation to this “Teacher of Israel”.
    The natural birthing process begins at some point toward the 9 month mark and is a struggle, but doesn’t stop till your born, some sooner, some later. I believe this happen’s for the 2nd birth as well to show us That it is God who gives life, physical and then spiritual. So if there is a struggle, you will only struggle as long as God allows, then upon that moment he speaks come forth, no matter how violent the struggle, you have not a choice.

    Praise God he hath chosen me and overcame my sinful flesh, because it is only a hinderance.

    John 1:12-13; But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
    John 6:63; It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

    • John

      Good one Brian!

  • Anonymous

    Byron, thank you so much for your article. And for your sermon “there is a contradiction in pride”, part of The Church and The Table.

  • Scott C

    We always make choices in accordance with our desires and motives. Analyze any decision you make and you must always conclude that you did the thing you most wanted to do; the thing you preferred most.

    Another way of framing the issue is this: we always act according to our nature. You might even say you are ‘free’ to act anyway you want but only so long as your choices correspond to your nature. IOW, you can never act contrary to your nature, only in accordance with it. Thus, if you are dead in trespasses and sins, you will only make choices that correspond with this state of your nature. Such a person never has a desire/ preference or set of motives that incline him to choose Christ. In order to choose Christ one must have his nature renewed or regenerated. He must be given a new nature that is inclined with new desires. Thus, regeneration precedes faith and repentance (i.e. conversion). Consider Acts 16:14 (the Lord opened Lydia’s heart before she believed); James 1:18 and 1 Pet. 1:3 (God causes the new birth).

    Jesus makes it clear that unless we are first born again via the work of the Holy Spirit we can neither “see” (i.e. understand) nor “enter” (i.e. believe) the kingdom of God (John 3:3, 5). Regeneration transforms the inner nature of man. Spiritually dead natures are made alive so that one desires to repent and believe, etc. and so they choose to do so on account of their new nature.

  • Jim

    If you really believe this then you have to believe in a God who created Adam and Eve then made them sin so he could then deal with a fallen race and finally find the most cruel punishment man had ever come up with to inflict on his son whom he supposedly loved. I’m sorry, this is a nice and tidy philosophical construct but my reading of scripture does not support it.

    • Noah

      Why do we have to believe that? Where does Isaiah 45:5-7 fit into your reading of scripture?

      Thank you for your time.

    • Scott C

      God could have created a world in which sin and evil were absent, but that is obviously not the world we live in. No matter what position you hold to you will have to explain why God created a world where sin and evil exist. So the most pertinent question to ask is what purpose did God have in creating a world with sin and evil? I think the question is precisely answered in the cross. The cross is at the same time the most cruel manifestation of evil (as men intended it) and yet also the most remarkable display of love (as God intended it). Broadly speaking, the overarching purpose for evil in the history of redemption was so that God could make a fantastic display of his grace and mercy in the cross. Consider texts like Acts 2:22-23; 4:27-28; Rom. 5:20-21 and Rom. 9:22-23. Thus, God planned evil to reveal his glory and that is why Jesus spoke of the cross as bringing glory to Himself and the Father (John 12:27-28 and John 13:31-32). Nothing has brought greater glory to God than the cross where the fullness of evil, justice, wrath and mercy meet.

  • Gvleone01

    Just wondering if someone could address the Serpent on the pole in the desert. Did the people have free will to look up at the serpent? I think the problem lies in the definition of “free will”. Before salvation, we do not have the power to stop sinning, but we have been given the ability to accept or reject the truth as revealed to us in Scripture. If you believe that you will die in your sin if you do not look to Christ as the remedy for sin, and you obey, you will live. If you deny the truth about your sin and refuse to look in faith to Christ, you will indeed die in your sin.

    A civil response is requested as this is a serious question about the interpretation of this portion of Scripture. I realize that I am challenging your views here, but I am not looking to argue.

    • Scott C

      I think reflecting on Augustine from his Confessions might help you here: “My whole hope is in nothing but your exceedingly great mercy. Grant what you command and command what you will.” Freedom from bondage to our sinful proclivities is not to be found in some power we posses to the contrary, but in the gracious provision of God to grant us the ability and the will to obey what he commands.

      • Jim

        In some reading I did today I came across the comment that prior to Augustine the church fathers held that the fate of individual men were conditioned upon their faith and obedience as foreseen (not predestined) by the divine mind (God). Augustine then later Calvin took the doctrine of the church in a direction that was not present before the fourth century. That means they believed they had free will and choice before we got too smart for ourselves! Men like Arminius and Wesley actually brought balance back from the extreme position of Calvin. I don’t think anyone is arguing against the sinfulness of man. I for one am arguing against a flippant, non-just God who would create evil just so he could fix it. If a person acts that way, it is considered a mental illness.

        • Scott C

          Jim said:
          “I for one am arguing against a flippant, non-just God who would create evil just so he could fix it.”

          In order to grapple seriously with the existence of sin and evil you are going to have to come to grips with its origin. Why would God design a world in which sin and evil are present? If you say he didn’t design the world that way, then you must posit the notion that it arose apart from his will and thus he was unable to prevent its introduction. IOW, you must say that God did not WANT sin and evil in the world and he was subsequently POWERLESS in preventing it from arising.

          What place does evil have in God’s plan for creation and history? If you are unable to answer that question then you are unable to grapple with the most important questions in history let alone Christianity.

      • Gvleone01

        Numbers 21:9 So Moses made a bronze snake and put it up on a pole. Then when anyone was bitten by a snake and looked at the bronze snake, he lived.

        John 3:14 Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the desert, so the Son of Man must be lifted up,15 that everyone who believes in him may have eternal life.

        I was looking for an explanation as to how God gave them the ability to look at the serpent.

        They had the ability to look at the serpent just as God has given every man the ability to look to Christ. All they can understand before this point is that if they do not look to Christ, they will die in their sin. Nothing else is understood as far as the glory of God or any other spiritual truth. Only that one is under the penalty of death. After one obeys by looking at Christ, God regenerates that person and they are born again by the Spirit of God. Not because of any work that the man has done, but just because he looked to Christ as the remedy for his sinful condition. Man is able to recognize sin, as sin, but apart from Christ, he remains a slave of sin. What man is not able to see is the glory of Christ, until after he is born of the Spirit.

        Please explain to me from this passage in Numbers where God did anything other than to provide the answer to their sin. It was their choice to look and live or refuse to look and perish.

        Does Augustine address this passage of scripture somewhere ? Could you provide a link? Thanks.

    • Jim

      Part of the problem is a refusal to accept a straight forward reading of scripture and instead read it from the lens for our preconceptions. Acts 7:51

      New International Version (NIV)

      51 “You stiff-necked people! Your hearts and ears are still uncircumcised. You are just like your ancestors: You always resist the Holy Spirit!

      How can we resist the Holy Spirit if irresistible grace is indeed true? The writings of Paul are full (every chapter of every letter) of references to choices that we as believers have to make. The inevitable result of this argument (no free will) is fatalism which I don’t find in my Bible.

      This isn’t an answer to the above post but it poses the same problem…as found in scripture.

      • Tracy Schultz

        People have the ‘free will’ to sin everyday. I can choose many ways to ruin my life but I cannot chose a single way to save it. I am dead apart from Christ. Romans states that ‘no one wants God, no one seeks him’. I didn’t want any part of God until God mercifully revealed himself and removed my blinders. I believe the passage in Acts is talking about the power of the Holy Spirit on people that are believers. Remember that none of Paul’s letters were to non-believers. He wrote to churches of professing believers about how to stay the course, how to discipline, how to run a service, how to establish leadership, etc. As believers, we can choose to obey what God has clearly said in His Word, or we can ignore it. I would call that resisting the Holy Spirit. Just like Paul says, he does what he doesn’t want to do and he doesn’t do what he should do. There is an irresistible grace that leads to salvation that we cannot overcome with our will.
        For the record, I was brought up believing in the free will of man to come to God. I was taught (not in so many words) that He was just waiting for me to come around and realize how good of a deal He was offering. It wasn’t until I was challenged by someone about why I prayed for the salvation of others if God had nothing to do with it. The doctrine of God sovereign will in election was the most offensive thing I had heard of. I literally cried all the way home from this disturbing discussion, thinking that this person had just painted My God in a horrible light. That night, for the first time ever, I prayed that God would reveal truth to me in scripture and read it for what was there, not searching for out-of-context verses to try and prove MY doctrine. When I approached scripture with a mind like that, I saw election everywhere! I confessed right then that I had believed lies about God, Jesus, my salvation, God’s purposes, the Scriptures…many others. That night, for the FIRST TIME EVER, I thanked God for my salvation. I was broken by what He did to make a way for people to be redeemed. I was completely humbled (and still am), knowing that I deserved nothing but had received an inheritance indescribable in Jesus.
        Many blessing to you and yours as we all seek to glorify God. :0)

      • http://mriccardi.blogspot.com Mike Riccardi

        Proponents of irresistible grace don’t dispute that people resist the Holy Spirit. We simply argue that when God is pleased to bring them forth (i.e., grant the new birth) in the exercise of His will (Jas 1:18), He overcomes that resistance with irresistible grace.

    • http://mriccardi.blogspot.com Mike Riccardi

      Hey Gvleone01, thanks for your comment and sincere question.

      I think much does indeed have to do with how one defines free will. Historically, theologians who have used the term have used it the way Byron defines it in this post. It’s been called libertarian free will, contra-causal liberty, or freedom of indifference. It’s the idea that we make uninfluenced choices and could have done otherwise. Calvinists deny that this exists, and argue that it is not a Scriptural concept.

      This doesn’t mean, though, that we believe people are robots and are forced to do everything we do, as is the popular caricature. The kind of “free will” that people have lies in the fact that they do make choices without being imposed upon. As ScottC has said, that kind of freedom is the freedom to act according to one’s nature — the freedom to simply do what one wants to do. That is sometimes called compatibilistic free will, or freedom of inclination. But in the unregenerate person, the person’s inclination is to always choose sin over Christ, because their minds are blind to His glory (2Cor 4:4). The unbeliever chooses freely according to his nature, but when one’s nature is spiritual death, it makes very little sense to call our will “free.” Rather, Scripture calls it enslaved–enslaved to sin (Rom 6:16ff). And this makes sense, because the opposite of “free will” is not “no will.” It’s an “enslaved will.” We have “will” — i.e., we make choices. But our will is not free; it’s enslaved.

      Regarding the serpents in the wilderness, Numbers 21:7 teaches that the people had acknowledged their wickedness as a result of God’s judgment, and requested for intercession. That is the kind of repentance that only God grants (Acts 11:18; 2Tim 2:25), since there are other examples in Scripture of victims of God’s judgment only becoming further hardened (Rev 16:10-11). So, God had granted the Israelites both (a) the repentance from their sin and (b) the faith to trust in His provision for physical healing.

      In an analogous way, Jesus makes the statement that He must be lifted up like the bronze serpent, such that whoever believes in Him — whoever looks to Him for their spiritual healing (implying they have acknowledged their need) — will have eternal life. But no sinner acknowledges their need nor turns to Christ in faith without first being regenerated — without God first shining in their darkened hearts the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Christ (2Cor 4:6). And once that light has been shone and the eyes have been opened, there’s no going back. As I said above, this grace is irresistible because Jesus, rightly seen, is irresistible.

      I hope that helps.

      • Gvleone01

        Mike,thank you for your kind, patient, and gentle response to my question. Most of all I appreciate that you actually answered the question. I will re-read what you have shared. Again, thank you for your gentle response.

        I grew up Baptist, (but not free will, because I don’t believe you can lose your salvation) Then I became convinced from scripture of the reformed view of election. Held tenaciously to election for 20 years, then through a severe illness was plunged to my knees and dove deeply into the Word. Over a year later after my illness had begun, I decided to do a word study on Faith and Grace and pulled up all the scriptures using an online Bible with these words in them, and I found that the vast number of scriptures that include the word faith, pointed to it being a choice, not a gift as I had believed.

        This particular scripture really stuck out to me. Hebrews 4:2 For we also have had the gospel preached to us, just as they did; but the message they heard was of no value to them, because those who heard did not combine it with faith.

        Anyway, that is just a little about me, just so you know where I am coming from.

        Thanks again brother!

      • Jim

        Let me take this whole discussion a different way. I have been having this argument for thirty plus years. Based on my read of Scripture I see a primarily free-will based view. Based on Byron’s view and most of you posting you see the opposite (with no option for the alternative). We all (I assume) believe Scripture to be the inspired word of God so you won’t convince me to go against scripture nor will I convince you to go against scripture. The big problem is that this is a topic that does nothing to build up the body and really has nothing to do with how we live. This whole topic becomes divisive to the body and potentially drives believers away. The reality is that both positions are shown in scripture otherwise equally intelligent, committed readers of scripture would not fall on both sides of the fence. We can either stake out our position to hold come “hell or high water” regardless of the damage it can do to the unity of the body or we can acknowledge that we will all get a theological update when we sit at the feet of Jesus. I would chose the latter and hopefully attend a church that can accept that!

        • Scott C

          Jim said:
          “This is a topic that does nothing to build up the body and really has nothing to do with how we live.”

          I have to disagree with you here. Yes, many can use their position to bludgeon others in ways that are more hurtful than helpful. But these are questions I find Christians grappling with everyday. As a pastor, they represent the questions I receive that most often spark the deepest reflection on the very nature of God, humanity, grace, salvation and yes, how we live our lives. I have found that when believers come to grips with the sovereignty of God in the compatibilist position espoused in this post that it has strengthened their faith in ways that are profoundly helpful and hope giving.

        • http://mriccardi.blogspot.com Mike Riccardi

          Hi Jim,

          I also need to register disagreement with your comment. Obviously, both positions are not “shown in Scripture,” because Scripture doesn’t contradict itself. Scripture cannot teach two mutually exclusive things. It has to be that one side is interpreting particular Scriptures in the wrong way.

          Secondly, in regards to your assertion that the topic does nothing to build up the body and has nothing to do with how we live, I couldn’t feel more oppositely than that. This question goes to the heart of what God is like and what salvation really is. The reason I think this is so worth thinking about and discussing is because it brings about so much worship to God for the fullness of His gracious character and His work of salvation and judgment. And the worship of God certainly builds up the body.

          It also affects how we live very much. It affects the way we evangelize and do gospel ministry, as I argued here. It also has implications for my attitude in suffering, when bad things happen to me. God’s absolute sovereignty is the ground of my contentment. It robs me of all pride whatsoever, as I realize that I was utterly helpless to accomplish any part of my salvation, and that I would have never moved toward God if He hadn’t sovereignly regenerated me.

          So, it’s one thing to disagree on the issue. It’s quite another to suggest the issue isn’t important. The worship of God, the evangelizing of the lost, how we deal with trials, our basic attitude about our salvation — those are all serious implications of the doctrine of human depravity / inability and divine sovereignty.

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  • Amy DeBurgh

    “Free will and its corollaries pin the opponent down in an (apparent) inescapable contradiction between sincere love and unfeeling predestination.”

    “He came into the world to save us principally because we lacked the free will to save ourselves, not because we possessed it. We were “dead in our trespasses.”

    Yep.

  • Byron

    Loving the conversation. At the least it proves the first three paragraphs of the post. There is a fuller version of the article that deals with many of the questions raised. For those who are interested in more it will be made available in book form sometime in the future, “Things That Go Bump in the Church.” It’s a project I’m working on with some friends. Every can of worms we can tip over, we do. Thanks. I offer this freely. :)

    • Johnfong1

      I love the title “Things That Go Bump in the Church”. When will it be available? Looking forward to the book, Thanks Byron.

    • Jason

      Please do us a favor when you write the book. 1) remove the logical fallacies: Straw man, impugning the motives of your opponents, and appeal to authority (unless it’s Scripture). 2) Be fare to the Free Will proponents argument. I agree with you, but the way you argued has been filed as an example of what not to do.

      • Jason

        “fair” not “fare” lol

  • JoeH

    One just needs to ask, “was the Apostle Paul a Calvinist or Arminian?”. Let’s see, “breathing threats and murder against the disciples” is how Acts 9 starts and in a mere 20 verses and only a few days later we find “he began to proclaim Jesus…saying ‘He is the Son of God’ “. Was Paul’s redemption a “free choice”. Of course it was. He freely renounced his enmity and accepted the truth of Jesus as the Messiah and his personal Savior – that is “freely” only in the sense that he was brought to a plase where he had no other choice! Did God plan for and manipulate that decision – you bet – “as one untimely born”. If one has any doubts then they haven’t read the story! Paul was definitely on the side of God chooses.
    So being intelligent creatures (or so we think) we ask “Why?” Why does God choose some and not others. Well we don’t really know because we aren’t God – and couldn’t understand should He try to explain. Did God explain to Job why the terrible tragedies struck him and his family? No. Why? Job would not nor did he have the capacity to understand. God simply reminded to Job who it was he was speaking with – the Creator and Sustainer of all things! Once Job was reminded of that it was more than enough explaination.
    However, we do catch glimpses of God’s purposes (“we know in part…”) and some of those are found in Eph. – e.g. 1:7 “so that in the ages to come He might show the surpassing riches of His grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.” or 3:9-11. But in the end was simply have to trust in Him – hey, kinda like “little children” – kinda like when we first came to Christ!

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  • Michael

    I don’t think anyone’s mentioned it, so I’ll do so: I HIGHLY recommend Jonathan Edward’s Freedom of the Will. It’s an incredibly complex theological argument that takes a lot of patience and a lot of determination and focus to read, but he does a fantastic job of logically working through this topic, showing how it’s the only logical conclusion. I imagine there might be a cliff’s notes version or something that would do it justice, but I haven’t looked, myself.

    Basically, parts of his argument go like this (I’m numbering not in order, but for ease of keeping track of the points):

    1) We do what we will. It is illogical to talk about willing to do something but doing something differently, because when we make a decision to do something, we do it. If we do not do it, than clearly it was not our will to do it.

    2) When we decide to do something, our choices are influenced by outside forces. Every decision we ever make is contingent on prior decisions. He takes the argument back to the beginning of time to say that our very first, initial decision to do something was influenced by an outside force, and therefore wasn’t free.

    3) If you want to say instead that our choices were not influenced, then you have a blank slate, a random 50:50 chance of choosing to do or not do something, because any influence from either direction makes our choice not free. Someone might say that the will is a scale, and can tip one way or tip another. But consider that the scale is dependent on the weights laid on its arms. You weight decisions and make them based on outside factors.

    4) Virtue is, in fact, dependent on this. If your will is a blank slate that waffles back and forth, it would follow that half the time you would choose virtue, and half the time you would choose sin.

    5) He also applies the idea of virtue to God and Christ. Someone might argue that lack of freedom of will removes virtue. We say that Christ was virtuous, but consider that Christ did not have free will. He was bound to do what his father wanted, and more than that, he cannot escape his very nature.

    He does a fantastic (and much, much better) job of making these ideas understood, and I hope I’ve done them the slightest bit of justice. He also makes many, many more points. Read the book!

    One final comment: some say this makes us robots. Others say this has no practical application in our lives. For me, it fills me with still MORE awe and wonder and praise to our great God to consider these things and to consider that I had nothing to do with my salvation. How grateful I am!

    Hope that helps!

    Peace,
    Michael

  • http://twitter.com/marcmullins Marc Mullins

    So lets take one other occasion in the Bible to analyze the will of man in comparison to the will expressed as the grace of God.

    New American Standard Bible (NASB) (so none of us have to worry about the translation it is a literal word for word)

    Joshua 24 (PAY ATTENTION TO ABRAHAM AND HIS FATHERS)

    Joshua Reviews Israel’s History

    1 Then Joshua gathered all the tribes of Israel to Shechem, and called for the elders of Israel and for their heads and their judges and their officers; and they presented themselves before God. 2 Joshua said to all the people, “Thus says the LORD, the God of Israel, ‘From ancient times your fathers lived beyond the [a]River, namely, Terah, the father of Abraham and the father of Nahor, and they served other gods. 3 Then I took your father Abraham from beyond the [b]River, and led him through all the land of Canaan, and multiplied his [c]descendants and gave him Isaac. 4 To Isaac I gave Jacob and Esau, and to Esau I gave Mount Seir to possess it; but Jacob and his sons went down to Egypt. 5 Then I sent Moses and Aaron, and I plagued Egypt [d]by what I did in its midst; and afterward I brought you out. 6 I brought your fathers out of Egypt, and you came to the sea; and Egypt pursued your fathers with chariots and horsemen to the [e]Red Sea. 7 But when they cried out to the LORD, He put darkness between you and the Egyptians, and brought the sea upon them and covered them; and your own eyes saw what I did in Egypt. And you lived in the wilderness for a long time. 8 Then I brought you into the land of the Amorites who lived beyond the Jordan, and they fought with you; and I gave them into your hand, and you took possession of their land when I destroyed them before you. 9 Then Balak the son of Zippor, king of Moab, arose and fought against Israel, and he sent and summoned Balaam the son of Beor to curse you. 10 But I was not willing to listen to Balaam. So he had to bless you, and I delivered you from his hand. 11 You crossed the Jordan and came to Jericho; and the citizens of Jericho fought against you, and the Amorite and the Perizzite and the Canaanite and the Hittite and the Girgashite, the Hivite and the Jebusite. Thus I gave them into your hand. 12 Then I sent the hornet before you and it [f]drove out the two kings of the Amorites from before you, but not by your sword or your bow. 13 I gave you a land on which you had not labored, and cities which you had not built, and you have lived in them; you are eating of vineyards and olive groves which you did not plant.’
    “We Will Serve the LORD”

    14 “Now, therefore, [g]fear the LORD and serve Him in sincerity and [h]truth; and put away the gods which your fathers served beyond the [i]River and in Egypt, and serve the LORD. 15 If it is disagreeable in your sight to serve the LORD, choose for yourselves today whom you will serve: whether the gods which your fathers served which were beyond the River, or the gods of the Amorites in whose land you are living; but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.”

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    Let’s talk about Abraham… first I put the whole slew of passages here so we don’t cherry pick proof texts (which both sides do)

    Lets work through God calling Abraham:

    Now the LORD said to Abram,
    “[a]Go forth from your country,
    And from your relatives
    And from your father’s house,
    To the land which I will show you;
    2 And I will make you a great nation,
    And I will bless you,
    And make your name great;
    And so [b]you shall be a blessing;
    3 And I will bless those who bless you,
    And the one who [c]curses you I will [d]curse.
    And in you all the families of the earth will be blessed.”

    4 So Abram went forth as the LORD had spoken to him; and Lot went with him.

    Do we notice that God called Abram (Abraham) and he went. Scripture gives us no evidence of some introspective dilemma that he fought to discern whether he should go or not. Nor does scripture give us some episode of suffering prior to this call that drove him to his knees in need of rescue. God called, he went.

    But when we move on in the OT after a time we find Joshua recounting the history of Abraham and that little obscure section about Abraham and his fathers serving other Gods in Ur (the area beyond the Euphrates river mentioned in Joshua about 10 miles west southwest of current day An Nasariyah Iraq.)

    So how do we conclude why Abraham chose to follow God’s commands? Even to the point of leaving his family’s house, the God’s he has served his whole life – Scripture doesn’t tell us specifically. But what we do know is that whatever it was about God, whatever it was that God started there when he told Abraham to go must have been far greater than any desire Abraham had. So much so that Abraham went without hesitation even to the point of alter with Isaac. So much so that the God’s he worshiped in Ur paled in comparison that the only option was to follow. He found this God, the God of Israel to be so “irresistible” that he was compelled to follow based what he heard and saw.

    So if Abraham, an idolater, was compelled to forsake his gods and go at the command of God alone can we not say that it was by the desires and sovereign grace of God alone that he called Abraham out of his idolatry to become a faithful follower of YHWH?

  • Joe Divelbiss

    Thank You for this article. I’ve been thinking a lot about this topic lately in trying to better understand the doctrine of man. Could you or anyone here help me in clarifying a few things?

    First off, I wholeheartedly believe in total depravity and sovereign grace. Prior to salvation I loved my sin, I desired to sin with the greatest zeal, and I reveled in my sins. It was God and God alone Who interrupted my hell-bound race, Who convicted me, drew me to Himself, and saved me. As I have grown in His grace and He has, and is sanctifying me, I am shown more more how sinful I was and still am.

    I know from scripture and experience that sin is blinding and deceitful (Prov. 14:12, Jer. 17:9) and that I can’t trust my own judgements, and don’t realize how sinful I really am.

    What I am wondering is how do you define will? Is it the same as desire? And is choice also considered the same as will, similar, or just influenced by the will? How does common grace affect the will/decision-making process of the unregenerate? How does saving grace affect the will/decision-making process of the redeemed?

    The reason I ask this is because as an unredeemed sinner, though my will and desire was to sin, there was at many times a decision-making process in plotting, planning, and executing my sin (Micah 2:1), while at other times sin was a knee-jerk reaction. Many times I decided not to physically carry out the sin which I desired in my heart to commit and often fantasized about, perhaps that was due to the fact that I was choosing a greater sin of worshiping self in maintaining my reputation, of which the former sin would’ve tarnished. By saving grace I now know that in my best moments I may be able to go 5 or 10 seconds without sinning, but due to the blinding effect of sin, it may be much less. That being said, though my desire and will was to sin, and I didn’t realize how sinful I was, there still seemed to be a decision-making process involved.

    So, is choice separate from will, influenced by will, or are they one in the same? How does common grace affect this?

    For the redeemed sinner who has been regenerated by God’s grace, what is the condition of their will as they are being conformed to the image of Christ? How does saving grace affect their decision-making as they often find themselves living in Romans 7?

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  • Michael

    Edwards in his book Freedom of the Will does his best to destroy the idea that “will” and “action” are two separate items.

    To make a decision is an act of the will. To consider a decision before making it is an act of the will. To consider a future act and wish to act differently than you currently are acting or had I the past is an act of the will. Ultimately, however, you can not (in the moment) will to do something and act in a different way, because (despite what you may tell yourself) you are acting upon your will.

    If you “desire” to do something, and it is within your power, you will/do it. You have multiple desires acting upon you at once, though, so one of them will win out. So sometimes the language gets muddied.

    Does that make sense?

  • Michael

    One other thing, Joe:

    I would propose that none of us goes 5-10 seconds without sinning, because in our deadness of sin, every act of will is rebellion to God. Even when we do good, in our hearts it is yet sin, because we have rebelled and are dead in our trespasses. Our best moments are selfish people pleasing, or done for our own pleasure of to salve our guilty consciences!

  • Suzanne

    Loved this article and completely agree..and the ensuing comments raise excellent questions and answers! Especially Joe Divelbiss’s complex and well articulated questions/thoughts.

    My own thoughts on mans-will-verses-God’s-will are simplistic, and I wonder if someone can comment on this: Whatever we “choose” always falls into the parameters of God’s will. Period, no? I realize there’s far more to it than that, but essentially that’s the jist, I think.

    For the regenerated: our will cognitively (as such) intersects with God’s will, causing us to love the things we used to hate and vice versa..for the unbeliever-he’s still operating ultimately under the will of God -well perhaps the enemy too..anyway, this is a tough subject for many, so many “splittable” hairs (it would seem).

    Thanks!
    Suzanne

  • Pat Howell

    I recognize and affirm the importance of this discussion. And I respect and appreciate Byron’s thoughtful contribution. But I’m often stirred to vent a bit when this and similar topics are discussed. Please forgive me for doing so here…

    If anyone ever had free will, it seems to me it was Adam & Eve, being created not in perfection as is often said, but in innocence. After that…Eph. 2:1-3 puts all humanity, individually and in the totality of our being completely and utterly fallen, regardless of how person-hood is defined, (dichotomy/trichotomy). So, at best it’s difficult to identify the will as being free as though it somehow exists and operates outside of and is not a part of one’s fallen person-hood.

    Theological discussion on this topic seems unending and may or may not prove edifying, but clearly the preaching of the gospel to those who have yet to hear, or not yet believers is, ultimately, more important than “resolving” this issue.

    Unfortunately, it appears to me–and I could be very wrong indeed and I hope I am–that the preponderance of energy and effort of so many is the almost endless debating of this and similar issues. Surely, we’re to contend for the faith once delivered, but it seems to me there is a greater passion for theological debate and the converting of others to a particular theological embrace, then there is for the Great Commission of Matt. 28:18-20.

    Where are the conferences and books, etc., that move those whose theology is orthodox and well established, to put feet to their faith and with determination and perseverance, reach out to those whose will is long bound in nature’s night?

    There seems a bizarre compartmentalization or replacement of sorts. Has the conversion of Arminian’s has taken a greater priority than the conversion of the lost? Could that possibly be? Do we as leaders communicate either intentionally or incidentally, that if we just get our theology right, God will take care of the rest when it comes to the Great Commission?

    I’m pretty clear on the need for Biblical orthodoxy. I really am. And I’m grateful for those who passionately defend the faith once delivered and labor with humility and grace to help others understand the truth. I also am engaged in this effort. But all the writing, debating, conferencing, publishing, etc. et. al., do nothing to assuage my perspective that our commitment to theological orthodoxy far exceeds our commitment to theological orthopraxy when it comes to the Great Commission.

    Again…I get the importance of an exegetical theology systematically expressed. But after more than 30 years in ministry and having had opportunity to spend a lot of time in recent years with non-believers as opposed to believers, I’m wondering if we might not have some “splaining” to do at the judgment seat.

    But…there was only a brief reference/metaphor to Kill Bill. That’s disappointing…pic was good though. Appreciate you, Byron.