May 8, 2012

Driscoll vs. Calvin, Doctrine vs. the Spirit

by Eric Davis

 

A few days ago, a short YouTube came out called, “Don’t Elevate Doctrine above the Holy Spirit.” It’s a clip from Mark Driscoll’s sermon on Revelation 2:1-7 preached at the ancient Celsus Library in Ephesus. Apart from the excerpt on youtube, there are some helpful things said at various points in the sermon. However, the portion in the video is a perfect example of a wider error often seen in the church today: the pitting of “doctrine” (cue ominous music) against the work of the Spirit in the heart.

In Driscoll’s latest hit, he warns against the supposed consequences of elevating doctrine over the Holy Spirit with statements such as: “You don’t need to pray much anymore, because you have a theology that tells you what to do. You don’t have to listen to the Holy Spirit anymore, because you have a theology that directs all your steps. I’m not saying we avoid our doctrinal clarity, but we still need to be filled with the Holy Spirit.” He proposes that “cessationism…[is] a clever way of saying, we don’t need him [the Holy Spirit] like we used to.” One of the repercussions of cessationism, he says, is that “Christianity goes from a relationship we enjoy to a belief system we adhere to.”

Whatever cessationism is, it’s anything but these things (see Nate Busenitz’s article here for helpful clarification on what cessationism is not).

But more to the point: Can doctrine be elevated over the Spirit? It’s a charged issue, no doubt. Much could be said in response to the quotes above, but the bottom line is this: to say, “Don’t elevate doctrine above the Holy Spirit,” is to make a boogeyman distinction. It’s a non-existent dichotomy that sounds catchy, but is false through and through, and needs to be laid to rest.

For one thing, the whole statement suggests that the Spirit speaks to people different things in addition to what he has said in Scripture. This is a non-existent dichotomy because doctrine is the summation of what the Holy Spirit has said about any issue. What the Holy Spirit has said is Genesis 1:1-Revelation 22:20. He is the divine author of Scripture and so his words are Scripture. Inspired by the Spirit, Peter wrote, “knowing this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture comes from someone’s own interpretation. For no prophecy was ever produced by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit” (2 Pet 1:20-21). So then, to say, “Don’t elevate doctrine above the Holy Spirit,” is equivalent to, “Don’t elevate what the Holy Spirit has said over what he has said.” Doctrine is the knowledge of the who and what of God from the Spirit-spoken word, which is why the distinction is non-existent. As John Calvin wrote (whom Sinclair Fergusson has said was  the “theologian of the Holy Spirit”), “Scripture is the school of the Holy Spirit, in which as nothing useful and necessary to be known has been omitted, so nothing is taught but what it is of importance to know” (Institutes 3.21.3). Because of the Spirit’s work, both in inspiration of the canon and illumination of the believer, doctrine vs. the Spirit is a false dichotomy.

Along those lines, Calvin himself wrote the following on the misconception which divides the Spirit against himself:

…the office of the Spirit promised to us, is not to form new and unheard-of revelations, or to coin a new form of doctrine, by which we may be led away from the received doctrine of the gospel, but to seal on our minds the very doctrine which the gospel recommends. Hence it is easy to understand that we must give diligent heed both to the reading and hearing of Scripture, if we would obtain any benefit from the Spirit of God…and, on the contrary, that any spirit which passes by the wisdom of God’s Word, and suggests any other doctrine, is deservedly suspected of vanity and falsehood…what authority can the Spirit have with us if he be not ascertained by an infallible mark? (Institutes 1.9.1)

What is that infallible mark? It is not subjective human impressions, or, for example, inner promptings, dreams, verbal words, and so on, but Scripture and the Spirit-breathed doctrines therein which, by the illumination of the Spirit, set forth all things for life and godliness.

Calvin continues:

And assuredly he [the Spirit] is pointed out to us by the Lord with sufficient clearness…they [some in his day who proposed a similar idea] seek the Spirit from themselves rather than from Him. But they say that it is insulting to subject the Spirit, to whom all things are to be subject, to the Scripture: as if it were disgraceful to the Holy Spirit to maintain a perfect resemblance throughout, and be in all respects without variation consistent with himself.  True, if he were subjected to a human, an angelical, or to any foreign standard, it might be thought that he was rendered subordinate, or, if you will, brought into bondage, but so long as he is compared with himself, and considered in himself, how can it be said that he is thereby injured? I admit that he is brought to a test, but the very test by which it has pleased him that his majesty should be confirmed…he wishes us to recognise him by the image which he has stamped on the Scriptures. The author of the Scriptures cannot vary, and change his likeness. Such as he there appeared at first, such he will perpetually remain. There is nothing contumelious to him in this, unless we are to think it would be honourable for him to degenerate, and revolt against himself. (Institutes 1.9.2)

As Calvin’s point elucidates, the distinction is flawed from the beginning. It drives a non-existent wedge between the Spirit and his work through Scripture, suggesting an additional detached and subjective work in the regenerate beyond the content of biblical doctrine. The whole idea attributes a subjective work of the Holy Spirit in one category and Scripture in another. As John Owen wrote, “He that would utterly separate the Spirit from the word had as good burn his Bible.” What happens is that the supposed subjective work becomes superior to Scripture, with the result that I rely more on inner-promptings for life, godliness, and the knowledge of God, rather than what the Spirit has spoken in Scripture. The subjective feeling becomes more desirable, real, and reliable than what the Spirit says about himself in Scripture. This opens the door to actions and beliefs in one’s life that need not be grounded in Scripture, because the Holy Spirit is supposedly “leading me,” since we must not elevate doctrine over the Spirit. Ironically then, were this true, one could be going against the Spirit in the name of the Spirit.

But biblical doctrine is not subjective and neither is the illuminating work of the Spirit. The latter works in unity with the former. The Spirit is given to spotlight the knowledge of God from Scripture, not to illuminate additional revelation. So then, to say, “Don’t elevate doctrine above the Holy Spirit,” is like saying, “Don’t elevate God’s attributes over God.” God cannot be separated from his attributes anymore than the Holy Spirit from what he has spoken.

Think of it this way: it’s like saying, “Some are more about the word, but others are more about the Spirit,” which makes the same non-existent dichotomy. To “be about the word” is synonymous to being “about the Spirit.” We know this, for example, from biblically parallel passages like Ephesians 5:18-6:9 and Colossians 3:16-4:1, which demonstrate the equivalence. The results of being filled with the Spirit in the Ephesians passage are identical to those of being filled with the word in Colossians. For example, to be filled with the Spirit, or have the word richly dwelling within, both look like a thankful heart that sings psalms, hymns, and spiritual songs (Eph 5:18-19, Col 3:16-17). To be filled with the Spirit is synonymous to having the word dwell richly in us. Since biblical doctrine is the summation of the Spirit-breathed word, being filled with the Spirit is to be filled with biblical doctrine. So then, the saying suggests a nonsensical idea, namely, that knowledge, relationship, and worship of God can be divorced from special revelation.

More could be said, but key to the issue is that the colloquialism, “Don’t elevate doctrine above the Holy Spirit,” is to divide the Spirit against himself, or God against God. But there is no such division. The Spirit spoke Scripture and subsequently, in the hearts of the regenerate, performs an accompanying and unifying work of illumination so that we elevate God through the objective knowledge of him in his word. What this means, as Calvin said, is that “we owe to the Scripture the same reverence which we owe to God; because it has proceeded from him alone, and has nothing belonging to man mixed with it” (Calvin’s Commentary, 2 Tim. 3:16). Therefore, elevating doctrine and God are one in the same act of worship. Objective biblical doctrine is traction for relationship with, and worship of, God through the work of the Spirit. And that illuminating and unifying work of the Spirit is the means of the glorious, joyful relationship we enjoy with God. In other words, as we meditate on biblical doctrine, which the Spirit has spoken (2 Pet 1:20-21), he grants illumination to both comprehend and rejoice in what he has said about God, thereby fueling our worship of God (Ps 1:3).

So then, part of the reason Scripture warns us against the neglect of doctrine, for example (i.e. 2 Tim 1:13-14), is because it’s precisely through the work of the indwelling Spirit, that we experience fellowship with and conformity to Jesus Christ. The Spirit works to elevate Christ through the knowledge of his word to produce all God wishes to do for our completion in Christ. Thus, to caution against elevating doctrine above the Spirit is an impossible dichotomy.

In a future post, I will address another issue this brings up, namely, the function of the Holy Spirit in our lives and how we live/walk by the Spirit.

Eric Davis

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Eric is the pastor of Cornerstone Church in Jackson Hole, WY. He and his team planted the church in 2008.
  • http://mriccardi.blogspot.com Mike Riccardi

    Well done, Eric. The topic of your post coincides quite providentially with a post Phil Johnson wrote yesterday: http://teampyro.blogspot.com/2012/05/what-is-written.html

    I also appreciated Dan Phillips’s tweet, also yesterday: “Stop looking at the kitchen door. The meal’s served. The chef knew what he was doing. Respect him. Dig in. #CharismaticDistraction”

    Because this topic always elicits the charge of “bibliolatry” from those who disagree, I often think of Psalm 119:48: “And I shall lift up my hands to Your commandments, Which I love; And I will meditate on Your statutes.” It seems the psalmist understood the point of your post well.

    Thanks brother.

    • Eric Davis

      Thanks, Mike. I did not see that from Phil Johnson. Your mention of Ps 119:48 also reminded me of Ps 138:2, “I will bow down to your holy temple and give thanks to your name for your lovingkindness and your truth; for you have magnified your word according to all your name.”

  • Olasjc

    Excellent, thank you for taking the time to write on this pertinent issue.
    GBU

  • Adiel

    Can a person be a teacher of sound doctrine, always thinking about it and discussing it, and even seeking to obey the commands of Scripture, and yet be unconverted?

    • Eric Davis

      Thanks for the question, Adiel. If I understand it correctly, you are saying that someone can espouse sound doctrine yet not have the Spirit? Certainly that is the case (Jas 2:19). However, I think the issue is not that simple. B/c the natural/unsaved person cannot “accept the things of the Spirit of God…b/c they are spiritually appraised” (1 Cor 2:14), at some point, though he may have said/taught correct things now and then, there will be inconsistencies. And not just inconsistencies between belief and practice that we all struggle w/, but deeper, which reveal that he has not the Spirit in the first place. We could think of many examples, of course. One would be those who, perform miracles and suppose to manifest powerful works (even of the Spirit) but end up saying, “Lord, Lord…,” but entering eternal condemnation (Matt 7). So then, to truly worship God, though one might say words that appear to exalt doctrine/the Spirit, if they don’t have the illuminating, regenerating, sanctifying work of the Spirit, they are doing no such thing.

      • Adiel

        Thank you Eric. I agree. It seems to me that at least part of Driscoll’s concern in the above clip is the dinstiction between a cold intellectualism (being to able to mouth off correct doctrine) and the power of the Holy Spirit in a warm and vibrant personal relationship with the Lord. The Spirit and doctrine are not at odds, but in my opinion they’re not exactly equal either. Doctrine is not God and God is not doctrine. Of course the Bible is the Spirit’s word and will never and can never contradict the Spirit, that is true. And we should do all things according to the Bible, that is true. Even so I believe that a person can have all his t’s crossed and i’s dotted and yet not have the Spirit (not be saved). And also, a Christian, one who is saved, can have all his theological ducks in a row and not be walking in the power of the Spirit ( ie perhaps he is compromised and is walking in wordliness and carnality and is not seeking the Lord’s face in prayer). I think that is at least part of Driscoll’s point. What do you think? I think Paul Washer makes this point well. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4VVLO8UNFI&feature=youtube_gdata_player

        • Eric Davis

          Adiel-

          I agree w/ most of what you are saying. Certainly it is possible to affirm sound doctrine but be walking in the flesh. But even then, you are not truly affirming sound doctrine since that in itself (when done in genuineness) is an act of the Spirit. If Driscoll meant that, it was not clear from his sermon in my opinion. Instead, he made an unfortunate blanket statement that misrepresented both cessationism and an understanding of the Spirit’s work.

  • David LaChance

    You make the right correction, but… Context is important. I think it’s both-and in the case of a former charismatic evangelical turned restless and reformed. The tendency in making a theological correction, especially in adhering to an entirely new system is to over-correct and swing to the opposite extreme. I have been a part of A29 congregations where anything hinting at a charismatic approach to Sunday worship is avoided to the extent of becoming liberal. I can relate with the struggle to hold onto the relationship because of the “completeness” of the theology. Whether we like it or not, and I don’t think we do, the Spirit works in mysterious ways and although these ways should not be the ways we expect Him to work, they should not be unexpected. So, if Driscoll’s subject is someone like me, his point is well made. Nevertheless, you point is also well made.

    • http://www.facebook.com/todd.barnett.90 Todd Barnett

      David,

      You may have already watched Driscoll’s video. If so, take a minute to listen again to his definition of the initial topic he chose as the entryway to his point on the Holy Spirit. His case is built on the inaccurate premise that cessationism is distrust in the Holy Spirit. Then he incinerates the strawman.

      No faithful Christian cessationist would say that he believes what Driscoll described in the video. He says, “There are certain theologies, what is called cessationism that essentially says that the Holy Spirit does not operate today like He once did. It’s a clever way of saying, we don’t need Him like we used to.”

      This is completely untrue.

      The true Christian cessationist believes that we fully need today, as every Christian has always needed, to trust, walk by, in and be filled with God the Spirit in everything.

      The term ‘cessationism’ comes from the belief that the New Testament plainly records that the purpose of the sign gifts (the foundation of the church) was fulfilled in the 1st century church, thus they “ceased” to exist then and do not function today.

      I may be explaining something you already understand. But seemingly (based on his words) Driscoll does not. Just a guess, but I’d say there’s some chance he knows better.

      Cessationism is not incompatible with vibrant dependence upon God the Spirit. They are, in fact, wholly congruous.

      I’m not sure what you mean by “the Spirit works in mysterious ways” but it sounds like you might be saying that He works in ways not revealed in the Scripture.

      True?

      • Chris

        Well said Todd. I agree that I think he knows better.

      • David LaChance

        Thanks for the reply. I agree with you. Having head and read Driscoll on this topic on many occasions I can’t help but feel there are categorical errors in terms of Driscoll’s cessation and the cessation ism being defended here. Driscoll was once a staunch cessastionist until things started happening to him personally that proved him wrong.

        You made an important clarification that brings everyone back to the middle. When I said “the spirit works in mysterious ways” I meant that He works in ways not necessarily revealed in Scripture specifically but never toward ends or by means contrary to the truth “once and for all delivered to the saints”. In the end, it’s Driscoll’s words against our doctrine… The events that lead him out of his cessationism either happened or they didn’t, if they did then we need to flex our rigid category and come to terms with not being able to so neatly put the God of the Universe in a tidy box. You made the right clarification, and I agree.

    • Eric Davis

      David – Thanks for the comment and I hear what you are saying. If I understand you correctly, I would say that cessationism in no way conflicts w/ having a vibrant relationship w/ the Lord through the Spirit b/c of the “completeness of theology.” I would say the latter fuels the former, as I tried to explain in the post. B/c the Spirit has fully spoken w/ the closing of the canon, we are now in a wonderful point in redemptive history: we have every word from our great God. That is what special revelation is. So, biblical doctrine then gives us traction for a vibrant relationship, through the indwelling of the Spirit, of learning, growing, dependence, love, grace, discipline, mercy, etc., from the word. And along those lines, I would agree that the Spirit does unexpected things, but those things are not subjective additional revelation divorced from what he has spoken already in the completed canon.

      • David LaChance

        Thanks for the reply. I agree with you. My point was the difficulty of that transition. It’s as simple as you state it, but coming from one end to the other is not so simple. Technically, yes, this “fuels” right relationship, but people coming out of theological chaos into an organized system tend to want to be ruled by the system for fear of not being able to discern the chaos. Driscoll’s exhortation in these matters has always been to come back to the middle once this happens.

  • Scott Welch

    The bacon sign sums up your post deliciously.

    • Eric Davis

      And b/c bacon is such a radical gift from the Lord, I would almost agree with that sign’s premise.

  • kalamazoomom

    This was excellent. I thoroughly appreciate the biblical way this was laid out.
    Very helpful too in dealing with so many people who ‘hear a word from God’, etc…
    I think I am going to print this and keep it in my Bible!

    Adiel: It’s interesting when you hear people (and I can think of a quite a few) who intellectually know sound doctrine, yet they do and espouse a lot of other contrary doctrine and behaviors as well and have very questionable associations. I remind myself, and hopefully others – do not be confused by them, stay away from them and focus on those whose speech and actions stay on sound doctrine and do not stray. There are enough sound men out there to learn from that we can leave the hawaiian shirt and mickey mouse types behind. We should stick with demonstrably mature men of the faith who understand that all they need is the Word of God, not gimmicks to maintain ‘cultural relevance’. The Word of God is culturally relevant and we’re commanded to preach that, and no other, to all men and His sheep will hear His voice as the Word goes out.

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  • Truth Unites… and Divides

    “the result that I rely more on inner-promptings for life, godliness, and the knowledge of God, rather than what the Spirit has spoken in Scripture. The subjective feeling becomes more desirable, real, and reliable than what the Spirit says about himself in Scripture. This opens the door to actions and beliefs in one’s life that need not be grounded in Scripture, because the Holy Spirit is supposedly “leading me,” since we must not elevate doctrine over the Spirit.”

    Pastor Eric,

    Have you had to contend against this in your congregation in a 1-1 situation? If so, how did you approach it? Also, how did it go and how was it received? And what was the ultimate resolution, if any?

    • Eric Davis

      Great question. I certainly have had dear brothers and sisters in the flock here who lean more towards Driscoll’s view. In all of these situations, I’ve found that it just takes a lot of time, patience, and doing your best to love God’s people and exposit each and every verse as best you can.

      In my experience, the reason people sometimes lean this way is b/c: 1) They had something happen to them at some point in their life, maybe as a young believer, or someone near to them, that seemed to be a supernatural experience of some sorts. While I would not necessarily deny these experiences, I would point out places like 1 Pet 1:16-21 (or 1 Kings 22:22-23 & Acts 16:16-18) where, in effect, Peter is saying, “Sure, things may happen – bizarre things – but our authority for what we know is not experience but rightly interpreted Spirit-breathed Scripture.” The “more sure” word Peter refers to is special revelation. In the end its a matter of one’s authority. And it takes time for people, who have even unknowingly built their epistemology more on experience, to make that shift. 2) They have simply been mistaught. And in either case, there is no special trick to changing people’s mind. God’s means are the Spirit-spoken word, accurately interpreted, brought to bear on a Spirit-indwelt individual.

      • Rick

        Prophecy comes from both God and men, as they were “moved” (driven) by the Holy Spirit [cf. Acts 27:15, 17 where the New King James version says,
        “We let her drive” and “so were driven” respectively in 15 and 17,
        using the same Greek word (phero) that Peter uses in 2 Peter 1:21].
        Peter says, “And so we have the prophetic word (which was not
        announced or born along by the will of men) confirmed (made
        more sure), which you do well to heed as a light that shines in a
        dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your
        hearts” (1:19).

        Several English versions translate the Greek word bebaioteron
        as ‘made more sure’ as does the New King James version. Now, that
        begs the question: “The prophetic word is made more sure than
        what?” The answer is that the prophetic word is made more sure
        than that incredible experience we had that day on the mountain
        when we personally experienced that Christ was absolutely divine
        in nature. The divine origin of Scripture is more reliable, more sure than our
        experience where we beheld the divine nature of Christ.

  • Michael Delahunt

    An excellent post on this subject. I suspect it is too easy for people to find out how the Spirit wants to lead us; that is, through the truths of the Bible, and yet too difficult at the same time. Easy, in that the way is quite simple. Difficult, in that it takes discipline to cultivate a relationship with God through the consistent reading of His Word.

    • Eric Davis

      MIchael,

      You make an excellent point that I think is too often overlooked in this whole discussion. I think sometimes, in our relationship w/ the Spirit, some would much prefer, as it were, a phone call from the 3rd heaven revealing some exciting new adventure, rather than repenting of my pride for not asking my wife’s forgiveness. The latter lacks glamour, but is one of the chief works of the Spirit – “by the Spirit…putting to death the deeds of the body” (Rom 8:13), which is fueled by the study and application of the word. And that is, according to Gal 5:16-18, really how we walk by the Spirit: through his power, doing damage to the flesh in step w/ the word.

  • Brad

    For years I attended a very doctrinally sound church and everything was the same week-to-week. The preaching was great verse-by-verse, exegetical teaching. As a whole the church was hospitable and generous–loving the Bible and Jesus. But there were very few conversions, and nothing “radical” about the church.

    But then about 1.5 years ago I started going to a “missional” church. It is very Bible-centered, God-centered, and Christ-centered. But we also talk a lot about being on mission and living a lifestyle that requires the Holy Spirit. Since being at this church I have seen demons cast out of people (before they became a Christian), people having visions and speaking in tongues, the drunk and the homeless coming to Christ, and some incredibly radical, self-sacrificing love among believers.

    I have come to the conclusion that there is good in both churches–that the Holy Spirit is working in both in different ways. So, I agree with Eric’s article, but I also think it is pretty cool when the Holy Spirit does radical things in our midst.

    • Truth Unites… and Divides

      “Since being at this church I have seen demons cast out of people (before they became a Christian),”

      With respect to demons being cast out of people, can you describe your experience a little more fully?

      • Brad

        For example, one demon was saying that he was sent to divide the church. The demon was also scared to talk about Jesus. Eventually, the elders came over and prayed Scripture and the demon left after a few hours. The guy who had the demon became a Christian.

    • Eric Davis

      Brad,

      Thanks for sharing this. I appreciate your comment that there is “good in both churches.” I would encourage you to consider a few things: 1st, while it is wonderful to see the Lord work in bringing about conversions, promote sacrificial living, and so on, we must be careful about looking for something “radical” as an end in itself. Again, no one in our church here loves seeing God radically change people like I do, but our aim is not to be radical, but faithful. God, in his good sovereignty, will chose to use that how he wishes. And, in that former church, if there were people who were “loving the Bible and Jesus,” that is a very “radical” thing in itself, considering the condition of humanity.

      2nd, I would say that a “missional” church is not automatically one in which people must live a lifestyle that “requires the Holy Spirit” more than others. Please know that I have spent time in churches such as the one you attend; I know and respect men who shepherd such churches, who love the Lord and his people. But if a church is faithfully expositing the word, eventually you will get to a verse that requires “radical” dependence upon the Lord, and so, the power of the Spirit to obey. Hope that makes sense. Thanks Brad

      • Brad

        Eric,

        Good points.

        I don’t think our church tries to be “radical.” More than anything we try to remind ourselves of the gospel and then try to encourage each other to reorient our lives around our identity in Christ. As we have done that, the only word I could think of to describe the results was “radical.”

        From what I can tell, one of the differences between the missional church and a regular Bible-believing church is that the missional church doesn’t really let you just go to church on Sunday to listen to the sermon. I have found that the missional church demands that you reorient your whole life around mission and your identity in Christ. When this happens, you get yourself into a lot of uncomfortable and overwhelming places. And you have to rely on the Spirit in ways that the Bible doesn’t help you with. Questions like, “Do I invite that homeless man to live with me?” “Do I continue to pursue this neighbor or that neighbor?” etc. So, I guess I kind of get Driscoll’s point.

        Those are just some reflections and observations. I am still trying to figure this thing out! I just know that what I am experiencing now at church is a lot different. At the same time, I can’t say that the way I did church before was wrong or anything.

        Your push back is appreciated!

  • Austin Davies

    I think that Driscoll is right to some extent, but perhaps the dichotomy could be better stated as being between the doctrine of cessationism and charismatic doctrine

    To the cessationist (as it should be to everyone), doctrine is important. But the cessationist is generally not prepared to accept the Holy Spirit doing anything bearing resemblance to the spiritual gifts of the early church. (tongues, prophecy, physical healing, etc…). The charismatic looks at the cessationist and thinks “but they have no life! All the exciting things the Holy Spirit is doing in my church today don’t exist for them.”

    Undoubtedly there are charismatic groups that have gotten into serious error, elevating the practice of spiritual gifts over revealed truth in the word, but reformed charismatics do not generally get into the same error… they see the practice of spiritual gifts today as part of good doctrine… and like cessationists, they see doctrine and the Spirit as inseperable.

    I think it can be said that cessationists see doctrine as more important than the spiritual gifts (tongues, prophecy, physical healing, etc…), simply because they don’t think those spiritual gifts exists today. That is likely what Driscoll means, speaking from a Charismatic perspective.

    just some thoughts…

    • elainebitt

      Hi Austin!
      I appreciate your comment. However, what you said is certainly not what Mr. Driscoll meant, because it is not what he said. Words have meaning, they express what the person wants to say. Mr. Driscoll is perfectly capable of saying exactly what he wants to say, and he did so. Another point to consider is this, he is not ignorant of what cessationism is. He just chooses to ignore it.

    • Eric Davis

      Austin-

      Thanks for the comment. I think you bring up an interesting point when you wrote, “the cessationist is generally not prepared to accept the HS doing anything bearing resemblance to the.. gifts of the early church… it can be said that cessationists see doctrine as more important than the spiritual gifts, simply b/c they don’t think those.. gifts exists today.”

      I might rephrase what you said. It’s not that the cessationist position is “not prepared to accept the HS doing” certain things or that even doctrine is necessarily “more important than the gifts.” That is a common mistake I encounter coming from the continuist position. Instead, the cessationist position has its authority in exegesis of the word (I’m not saying that the continuist does not, but I believe it is in error). The meaning of the text guides conclusions made about things like spiritual gifts.An understanding of who and what the Spirit does, including spiritual gifts, must have its authority in the Spirit-breathed word. God would not say something in his word that is inconsistent with experience, regardless of that experience. The one must be subjected to the other.

      So instead of the cessationist not being prepared to accept the HS doing certain things, rather, we would say that cessationists gladly accept everything that the HS does, b/c what he does is clearly preserved for us in his word for our edification. And the cessationist position is merely the observation from Scripture what he does (again, see Nate Busenitz’s articles for more on cessationism).

  • http://twitter.com/strichardson Stephen Richardson

    Don’t confuse doctrine with Scripture. The Holy Spirit didn’t inspire doctrine. As you said, doctrine is a summation of Gen 1:1-Rev 20:20. That summation has human origin. Doctrine is submissive to the Holy Spirit because we cannot confine God within our finite minds. However, Scripture (“the Word”, John 1) is equal to and one with the Holy Spirit, so they will never conflict or take authority over the other.

    • Eric Davis

      Stephen-

      Thanks for the comment. I was waiting for someone to bring that up! Here’s my take on that: I believe the Spirit did inspire doctrine. Here’s why: doctrine is merely truth observed from what the Spirit has said about a particular issue in Scripture. Doctrine cannot be divorced from special revelation in any way. Biblical doctrine is objective.

      I would agree that we “cannot confine God within our finite minds.” However, doctrine is not in any way confining God to our finite minds. Rather, it is observing from rightly interpreted Scripture the what and who of God. Sometimes those biblical doctrines conclude rightly that we cannot confine God within our minds, for example, the doctrine of the Trinity, or the hypostatic union, the asiety of God, and so on. Your statement brings up a common fallacy that I hear often today (which you may not be insinuating), namely, that doctrinal specificity puts God in a box. For the reasons I just explained, its a nonsensical statement.

      Some will say, “What about doctrine that is wrong?” The answer is that it was not rightly understood from the Spirit’s spoken word, for whatever reason. The Spirit did not inspire wrong doctrine, he inspired Scripture, and biblical doctrine is objective b/c it is merely made of his words.

    • http://www.theologicalthoughts.com/ Michael

      The Holy spirit does not inspire new revelations. But true doctrine comes from Scripture.

    • Ekkie T

      I agree with Eric that we cannot separate sound doctrine from Scripture. Jesus rebuked those who taught “as doctrines the commandments of men” (Matt 15:9) whereas Paul urged Timothy to “teach sound doctrine” (1 Tim 1:10; cf. 4:6; Tit 1:9), after telling him to “charge certain persons not to teach any different doctrine” (1 Tim 1:3; 6:3).

      Just from those verses, it is clear that we’re commanded to teach doctrine and to do so in accordance with the Scriptures.

  • http://twitter.com/mattmumma matt mumma

    Epic post brother. I am blessed to be able to sit under your teaching.

    I do think that there is a deeper issue here with many who hold to the view that one must not elevate doctrine above the Spirit. Although I don’t think that anyone would admit this, but the bigger underlying issue is that when someone says that, they are essentially saying that they do not want to submit themselves to the Word, to sound doctrine. Rather they want to submit themselves to the “Spirit,” which is as you said, going against the Spirit.

    Would you agree?

    • Brad

      Definitely not true in Driscoll’s case. He is all about submitting to the Word, to Jesus, and to the other God-given authorities in your life.

      • http://twitter.com/mattmumma matt mumma

        Brad,

        Agreed. However, this type teaching, although unintentionally, will eventually lead to the lifestyle where one does not want to submit but rather follow their “promptings”. Of course not everyone willI live that way. I have personally known and currently know people who use “following the Spirit” as an excuse to not obey and submit to the Bible and to the God-given authorities in their lives. With every person I know it all started from wrong teaching about the Spirit and the Bible.

    • Ben Coussens

      Brad,

      I can assure you that Matt goal here is not to smear Driscoll. However he is exposing a very real truth that people will use this stance as an excuse to live more subjectively than objectively. It is the whole premise of accepting Christ as your savior but not making him Lord of your life. Also, doctrine has been thrown to the dogs in so many “churches” by just promoting “Live by the spirit and carpe diem”. Which increases numerical growth but greatly damages discipleship and shepherding because it removes the authority from which discipleship is rooted in..God’s word.

      • http://twitter.com/mattmumma matt mumma

        Thanks Ben. This definatley was not an attack on Driscoll. Good to hear from you brother.

    • Eric Davis

      Matt,

      Thanks for the encouragement. I would agree w/ that. No one would make the claim, but in effect, driving the wedge between doctrine and the Spirit is the inevitable conclusion, in some sense.

  • Ben Coussens

    Eric,

    This is an excellent post. Something that everyone really should think about and also ponder why it is that they hold an opinion in either direction, which will hopefully drive them to remember that its all about God, pursuing holiness and desiring to be conformed to His image.

    • Eric Davis

      Amen. Thanks for the reminder, Ben.

  • Anil Jacob

    Dear Eric

    Greetings from New Delhi.

    I ran into this post by accident but I was wondering if you would like to share your opinion on the Greek words “logos” and “rhema” which, due to the relative weaknesses of the English language, both end up being translated as “word”. But the Greek meanings are different – so I suspect that what Driscoll was trying to suggest (and I do not hold his brief) is that there is need to be present to what the Holy Spirit shares with us as “rhema” which will never be inconsistent with the “logos” revealed clearly in Scripture. I suspect you know more Greek than many of us, and perhaps a little clarity on this would also shed more light on this matter.

    Best regards

    Anil Jacob

  • Joseph

    “The disturbing disparity is apparent. Some of God’s people have chosen the Spirit. Others have come down on the side of the scriptures. The problem, however, is that the first choice is something akin to heat without light; the second choice more akin to light without heat. The point is this: we must stop putting asunder what God Himself has joined together. No choice of emphases are intended between Spirit and word. Christians must seek both in indivisible oneness. More particularly, we must look for the Spirit of the living God at work in, with, and through the written word of God.” – Art Azurdia III

    • Eric Davis

      Joseph- Thank you for that great quote from Azurdia. Is That from Spirit Empowered Preaching?

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