January 24, 2014

Burning away misconceptions about “holy fire”

by Lyndon Unger

If you weren’t born into a Christian home and came to know the Lord a little later in life, you may remember your first experiences with “Christian Culture”.  You discovered a whole bunch of bands that you’d never heard of, a whole new realm of celebrities, and a bunch of strange new language.  Words that used to be somewhat acceptable were now taboo (i.e. certain terms associated with the bathroom), words that you never heard previously became part of your vocabulary (i.e. “Calvinism” or “eschatology”), and words that used to mean one thing now meant something else entirely (i.e. “charismatic” or “world”). testamints If you entered the faith via a Charismatic church (like me), one of the most quickly re-defined terms was “fire”.  “Fire” used to be what you called the results of tossing a match on something flammable, or maybe something you did with a gun.  Now it meant something way different. In Charismatic circles, there is often talk about “fire” of some sort: Holy Fire, Divine Fire, Heavenly Fire, the Fire of God, etc.  The idea of “fire” is basically paralleled with one or more of the following ideas: spiritual passion, having an emotionally intense worship/church service, really “getting serious” with God (or some form of personal revival), or some sort of outpouring of divine power on a person/church meeting/event resulting in a renewed passion of some sort (i.e. evangelism) or various “manifestations” of the Holy Spirit (i.e. euphoria, tongues, healings, prophecies, “miracles”, holy laughter, holy glue, holy vomiting, barking, crying, being slain/laid out in the spirit, visions, trances, screaming, physical pain, teleportation, etc.).

I had generally gone along with the Charismatic usage of the term “fire” with regards to passion or zeal, and not really questioned it since the term is often used in non-Charismatic circles in nearly identical ways. But, as I’ve grown in my knowledge of the Lord and his word I’ve found myself continually questioning my own assumptions and understandings and going “back to the drawing board”.  When we speak of “fire” in the previously mentioned ways, are we using the term in a proper Biblical sense? bible-study There’s only one real way to objectively answer the question.  Let’s plug through all 430 occurrences of “fire” in the ESV (and let’s be honest: most people who use the term aren’t doing original language exegesis):

1. There are many references to physical fire (the kind that firefighters need to put out) in the Scripture:

Genesis 22:6-7, Exodus 12:8, 22:6, 27:3, 29:14, 29:34, 32:20, 32:34, 35:3, 38:3; Leviticus 1:7-8, 1:12, 1:17, 2:14, 3:5, 4:12, 6:9-10, 6:12-13, 6:30, 7:17, 7:19, 8:17, 8:32, 9:11, 10:1, 13:52, 13:55, 13:57, 16:12-13, 16:27, 19:6, 20:14, 21:9; Numbers 3:4, 4:14, 6:18, 16:7, 16:18, 16:37, 16:46, 18:9, 19:6, 26:61, 31:10, 31:23, Deuteronomy 7:5, 7:25, 9:21, 12:3, 12:31, 13:16, Joshua 6:24, 7:15, 7:25, 8:8, 8:19, 11:6, 11:9, 11:11, 13:14, Judges 1:8, 6:21, 9:15, 9:20, 9:49, 9:52, 12:1, 14:15, 15:5-6, 15:14, 16:19, 18:27, 20:48, 1 Samuel 2:28, 30:1, 30:3, 30:14, 2 Samuel 14:30-31, 22:9, 22:13, 23:7; 1 Kings 7:50, 9:16, 16:18, 18:23, 18:24-25, 19:12; 2 Kings 1:14, 8:12, 17:31, 19:18, 23:11, 25:15, 2 Chronicles 4:22, 16:14, 21:19, 35:13, 36:19; Nehemiah 1:3, 2:3, 2:13; Job 22:20, 28:5, 31:12, 41:19, Psalm 11:6, 18:8, 18:12-13, 21:9, 46:9, 68:12, 74:7, 78:63, 80:16, 83:14, 118:12, 140:10, 148:8; Proverbs 6:27, 26:18, 26:20-21, 30:16; Isaiah 1:7, 5:24, 7:4, 9:5, 9:19, 10:16, 27:11, 30:14, 30:33, 33:12, 37:19, 44:15-16, 44:19, 47:14, 54:16, 64:2, 64:11, 66:24; Jeremiah 6:29, 7:18, 7:31, 19:5, 22:7; 29:22, 32:29, 34:2, 34:22, 36:22, 36:23, 36:32, 37:8, 37:10, 38:17, 38:23, 43:12-13, 49:2, 51:32, 51:58, 52:19; Ezekiel 1:4, 1:13, 1:27, 5:2, 8:2, 10:6, 10:7, 15:4-6, 16:21; 20:31, 22:20, 23:25, 24:10, 24:12, 28:14, 28:16, 30:8, 30:14, 30:16, 38:22, 39:9-10, ; Daniel 3:22, 3:24-27, 7:9-11; Hosea 7:4; Joel 2:30; Micah 1:4; Nahum 1:6; Zechariah 9:4; Malachi 1:10; 3:2; Matthew 3:10-12, 5:22, 7:19, 13:40, 17:15, 18:8-9, 25:41; Mark 9:22, 9:43, 9:48-49, 14:54; Luke 3:9, 3:16-17, 9:54, 17:29, 22:55; John 15:6, 18:18, 21:9; Acts 2:3, 2:19, 28:2-3, 28:5; Hebrews 11:34; James 3:5, 5:3;  Revelation 8:5, 8:7, 8:8, 10:1, 11:5, 13:13, 14:10, 15:2, 16:8.

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Anticipating objections to some of those, I’d say that there are some occurrences where “fire” is used in a metaphor, but the term “fire” itself isn’t being used as a metaphor for something else (i.e. in a simile where something is “hot like fire”, the fire being referred to isn’t itself metaphorical for something else).

2. God’s physical presence is often manifest in some sort of physical fire (at least in appearance) in the Bible:

a. God appears as a fire pot (Genesis 15:17).

b.  Jesus appears as fire in (Exodus 3:2; Acts 7:30). I know what you’re thinking.  You’re thinking that the text says “the angel of the Lord”, not Jesus.  Well, they’re the same person.  Secondly, you’re thinking “well, the bush wasn’t burned so it obviously wasn’t physical fire”.  I’d dare suggest that it sure looked like real, physical fire…hence Moses saw it and wondered why the bush wasn’t burned (Exodus 3:3).  The strange thing about the fire wasn’t it’s appearance, but rather that it didn’t burn the bush.

c.  God appeared as a pillar of fire during the Exodus (Exodus 13:21-22, 14:24, 40:38; Numbers 9:15-16, 14:14; Deuteronomy 1:33; Nehemiah 9:12, 9:19; Psalm 105:39).  I’d dare say that the fire actually looked like “real” fire.

d.  God appeared as fire on Mount Sinai (Exodus 19:18, 24:17; Deuteronomy 4:11-12, 4:15, 4:33, 4:36, 5:4, 5:22-25, 9:10, 9:15, 10:4; 18:16; Isaiah 4:5; Hebrews 12:18).

e.  God himself lit the first offering in the tabernacle with fire (Leviticus 9:24).

f.  God himself lit the first offering in the temple with fire (2 Chronicles 7:1, 7:3).

g.  God himself lit David’s offering upon altar on the threshing floor of Ornan the Jebusite (1 Chronicles 21:26).

h.  God’s flaming chariots, pulled by flaming horses, separated Elijah from Elisha as Elijah ascended to Heaven in a whirlwind (2 Kings 2:11).  It’s worth noting that the flaming horses/chariots kept Elisha away from the whirlwind (and the holy ground that it touched down on).  Interesting detail indeed.

i.  Those same flaming chariots and flaming horses appeared a second time in Elisha’s life; when Elisha’s servant had his eyes opened to see the armies of the Lord defending Elisha at Dothan (2 Kings 6:17).  Now arguably, nobody knows if this was actually physical fire, but the fire was described in that way.

j.  In the future, God will defend Israel from their enemies by appearing as (among other things) fire (Isaiah 29:6; Revelation 20:9).

k.  The Holy Spirit manifested as seven torches (for the seven churches) in the book of Revelation (Revelation 4:5).  There are questions about the appearance here, but I should point out that this one verse doesn’t exactly overturn the established pattern we’ve seen so far.

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3.  God’s judgment is often performed with physical fire:

a. God rained down fire on Sodom and Gomorrah in (Genesis 19:24).

b. The seventh plague in Egypt was one of hail and fire  (Exodus 9:23-24).

c.  God killed Nadab and Abihu with fire (Leviticus 10:2).

d.  God killed some of the complaining Israelites with fire (Numbers 11:1-3).

e. God killed the 250 men offering incense in Korah’s rebellion with fire (Numbers 16:35, 26:10; Psalm 106:18).

f.  God killed the 50 men sent to get Elijah with fire (2 Kings 1:10) twice (2 Kings 1:12).

g.  God killed all Job’s sheep and servants with fire (Job 1:16).

h. God proves himself as God and sentences the prophets of Ba’al to death by raining fire down from Heaven on the altar of Elijah (1 Kings 18:38).

i.  God’s eschatological judgment of sinners/creation will be performed with fire (2 Thessalonians 1:8; Hebrews 10:27; James 3:6; 2 Peter 3:7, 3:12; Jude 1:7; Revelation 19:20, 20:10, 20:14-15, 21:8).  Though there most certainly is debate with regards to the physical nature of the fire, the usage of the term “fire” is not clearly metaphorical in the listed passages.  Exploration of this issue is beyond the scope of this post and is, in and of itself, a rather large post.

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4.  Fire is used as a relatively wide-ranging metaphor several times in the scripture:

a.  The consuming nature of fire is used as a metaphor for destruction/desolateness, either by God or Men (Numbers 21:28, 21:30; Deuteronomy 9:3; Job 20:26; Psalm 97:3; Isaiah 10:17; 26:11, Jeremiah 48:5, 49:27, 50:32, 51:30; Joel 1:19-20, 2:3; Obadiah 1:18; Micah 1:7; Nahum 3:13, 3:15; Habakkuk 2:13; Revelation 17:16).

b.  The consuming nature of fire is used as a metaphor for God’s jealousy for his own glory and worship (Deuteronomy 4:24; Psalm 79:5, 89:46; Hebrews 12:29).

c.  Fire is used as a metaphor for God’s judgment/wrath (Deuteronomy 33:2; Psalm 50:3, 78:21; Isaiah 30:30, 31:9; 33:14, 42:25, 66:15-16; Jeremiah 4:4, 11:16, 15:14, 17:14, 17:27, 21:10, 21:12, 21:14; Lamentations 2:3, 4:11; Ezekiel 5:4, 15:7, 19:12, 19:14, 20:47, 21:31, 21:32, 22:21, 22:31, 28:18, 39:6; Hosea 8:14; Amos 1:4, 1:7, 1:10, 1:12, 1:14, 2:2, 2:5, 5:6, 7:4; Zephaniah 1:18; 3:8; Zechariah 3:2, 11:1; Luke 12:49; Jude 1:23; Revelation 14:18, 18:8).  The fire in this metaphor is certainly physical fire.

d.  The consuming nature of fire is used as a metaphor to describe how wealth acquired through bribery doesn’t last (Job 15:34).

e.  The extinguishing of a fire (or candle) is used as a metaphor for the fleeting nature of the life of the wicked (Job 18:5).

f.  The voice/words of the Lord are compared with fire. The idea here is that the voice of the Lord flashes forth and strikes fear (Psalm 29:7) or consumes those who hear it (Jeremiah 5:14)

g.  Fire is used as a metaphor for anger (Psalm 39:3; Lamentations 2:4; Hosea 7:6).  The idea here is that anger consumes one just like fire consumes that which it burns.

h.  Fire is used as a metaphor for suffering (Psalm 66:12; Isaiah 43:2; Lamentations 1:13; Zechariah 13:9; 2 Peter 1:7; Revelation 3:18).

i.  Fire is used metaphorically to (arguably) describe something that cannot be stopped (Psalm 104:4; Jeremiah 20:9; Joel 2:5; Hebrews 1:7).

j.  The destroying/consuming nature of fire is used as a metaphor for the speech of the wicked (Proverbs 16:27; James 3:6).

k.  A lover’s consuming jealousy is compared with fire (Song of Solomon 8:6).

l.  Fire is used as a metaphor for the consuming nature wickedness (Isaiah 9:18, 33:11, 65:5).

m. The consuming nature of fire is used as a metaphor for the tongue of the Lord (Isaiah 30:27).

n.  The illuminating nature of fire is used as a metaphor for wisdom (Isaiah 50:11).

o. God’s word is compared to a fire (Jeremiah 23:29).

p.  Fire is used as a metaphor of impenetrability (Zechariah 2:5).

q.  Fire is used as a metaphor for testing (1 Corinthians 3:13, 3:15).

 r.  Fire is used as a metaphor for the eyes of Christ (Revelation 1:14, 2:18, 19:12).

s.  Fire is used as a metaphor for a plague (Revelation 9:17-18).

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Wow.  That was a lot of passages!

I guess I do all this work so that you don’t have to…and before anyone complains, I’m sure that I wrongly classified a few references, mostly because of the question of whether “fire” itself was being used as a metaphor or a literal component of a metaphor.  I didn’t spend a ton of time looking at some of the difficult texts, but the pattern is obviously established.

For those that are interested (and I know someone will complain about this if I don’t mention it), I also checked the original languages and the Hebrew word for fire (‘esh) occurs 373 times in the Old Testament (which is actually more occurrences than in the ESV, but mostly because it’s sometimes translated “fiery” or “burning” or something like that), and the Greek (pyr) occurs 73 times (again, more occurrences than in the ESV, for identical reasons).  That works out to 16 more occurrences than the ESV, so on a list of 430 references; that’s a fairly insignificant percentage (3.72%).

Points to take home:

1.  The Spirit (who authored Scripture) never, ever, uses “fire” in a metaphorical sense describing passion/excitement/commitment/fervor etc.  The only metaphorical usages related to emotions are of anger and wrath.  That’s amazingly interesting, given the constant usage of the term in Charismatic circles.  I have rarely heard a Charismatic/Continuationist use the idea of “holy fire” in reference to God’s wrath or anger. I know what you’re thinking though… I know that getting “fired up/being on fire” is an English expression of speech, but that leads to the second point.

2.  The Spirit never, ever, uses “fire” in the context of cultivation of spiritual renewal/fervor/conviction.  There’s never talk of “Holy Fire” in the scriptures, at least in the sense that the phrase is regularly used in charismatic circles.  The phrase doesn’t even appear in the Scriptures at all.

Nowhere.

Write it down.

All this talk about “holy fire” isn’t talking about actually burning things, God manifesting his presence in physical fire, divine judgment, or any of the metaphorical uses in scripture.  When people talk about “holy fire”, they’re not talking about God raining down judgment on his enemies.

So, who cares, right?

Well, consider two things:

1.  When a person conflates biblical terminology and idioms with modern terminology and idioms, they twist the scriptures. Twisted

In other words, when a person takes verses like Matthew 3:11 as some sort of teaching that the Holy Spirit will give a person an intense emotional excitement/religious sincerity/fervor for God (or as a promise for the manifestation of sign gifts in a church event/service/meting), one is either mishandling or misunderstanding the scripture.  That’s not a light charge, and people who teach such things will be judged for their error (James 3:1)

But wait!  There’s more!

2.  If you pray for God’s “fire” in your life and experience suffering, God’s giving you exactly what you asked for (Psalm 66:12; Isaiah 43:2; Lamentations 1:13; Zechariah 13:9; 1 Corinthians 3:13, 3:15; 2 Peter 1:7; Revelation 3:18).

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If you think God’s not faithfully answering your prayers just because you don’t have an increase in passion or you don’t speak in tongues, you’re sadly mistaken.

Until now, you may have been misinformed and speaking out of an assumed tradition or ignorance, asking God for something you didn’t mean to ask for, and then responded in confusion when he didn’t give you what you meant to ask for (but didn’t actually request).

Now you’re informed, and all your excuses just melted.

God’s far more faithful than we give him credit for, and we’re often a lot more ignorant than we’re willing to admit.

***Please stop talking about the Holy Spirit in language that he never uses of himself.***

Please stop spreading lies about the Holy Spirit.

That’s otherwise known as “blaspheming” (and no, I’m not talking about “the unforgivable sin”…)

If you want more love for God, how about you just ask for more love for God?

If you want more passion, how about you just ask for more passion?

If you want more experiences of tongues, how about you just ask for tongues?

Don’t ask for more “holy fire” in your life; you might get cancer when God answers your prayers.

Lyndon Unger

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Lyndon is a pastor/teacher who’s currently between ministry work and in the Canadian Mennonite Brethren Witness Protection program. If you think you saw him somewhere...you didn’t.
  • Erik B.

    I have another one for you. 2 Timothy 1:6 “For this reason I remind you to fan into flame the gift of God, which is in you through the laying on of my hands.”
    As with other unbiblical charismatic theology, context and a proper hermeneutic crush this strange phraseology in this passage as well as the other afformentioned verses.

    • Lyndon Unger

      True…and strange phraseology is more often than not associated with strange ideology or strange theology. We need to cultivate increasing care and accuracy with the scripture, even in ways that some might see as pedantic.

  • http://scripturethoughts.wordpress.com/ Lynda O

    Thanks for all the scripture references and this study of the word fire, Lyndon. I’ll look more closely at the list of references later, but a good study on the topic.

    In my young adult early Christian life I listened to contemporary Christian music, including a Christian rock group called “Harvest.” One of their albums, and the title of one song, was called “Holy Fire.” I don’t know that the song had anything to do with charismatic ideas specifically, but definitely it conveyed the idea of “spiritual passion” or “really ‘getting serious’ with God.” But like you, I really didn’t think about the term that much at the time.

    • Lyndon Unger

      Lynda, I’m glad if this is somewhat helpful.

      I remember Harvest too! I’ve heard a whole lot of songs about holy fire and I know a lot of people that, through word association, have been taught (in practice, though it’s often not explicitly articulated) that feeling a specific emotion is related to, if not synonymous with, being filled with the Spirit.

  • Brad

    I have always believed that one of the works of the Holy Spirit is to help us love and serve God, to be more zealous and passionate about the glory of God. If this is the case, than the English word “fire” would be appropriate because it communicates the idea of passion in our language.

    • Lyndon Unger

      Brad, there’s a big difference between seeking to be passionate about God and claiming that the Bible directly teaches something that it doesn’t. That’s more what I was getting at. I’ve heard a whole lot of “fire” talk (i.e. “baptism of fire”, “fire tunnels”, “authentic fire”, “Holy Spirit fire”, etc.) being backed up with really wrongly applied scripture. I certainly might be a crybaby on this one, but I’d dare suggest that this is an example of how many, if not most, charismatics demonstrate the acceptability of twisting scripture in “appropriate” ways.

      • Brad

        Sounds good, Lyndon…fair enough!

  • Stephanie Halsall

    Thanks for all the hard work looking up those passages. Your argument is well-supported from Scripture and very enlightening.

    • Lyndon Unger

      Thanks Stephanie! I hoped to be persuasive!

      • Stephanie Halsall

        I’m a recovering charismatic, so all this helps.:-)

        • Lyndon Unger

          Me too…It’s been around 12 years since I left, but I’m still unloading some of the theological baggage!

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  • Pav

    Luke 3:16-17 ! Was interested to see what the baptism of fire is referenced to here
    Often I hear it being used in the context of spiritual passion and zeal
    Thank you in advance
    Brother Pav from Australia

    • Lyndon Unger

      Yeah! Luke 3:16-17 is one that I hear mistakenly taken as talking about “passion” often, mostly because of the phrase “baptism of fire”. When you read verse 17, it’s clearly talking about judgment.

      Glad I could be of service Brother Pav!

  • Rebecca Henry

    Rebecca42

    • Lyndon Unger

      Agreed!

  • david carlson

    I think you miss the connection to God’s word being a flame. Is not, after all, his word a light unto our feet? And every light in the bible would of come from fire. Our life is a flame, for we should not hide it from men (under a bushel).

    • elainebitt

      “Is not, after all, his word a light unto our feet?”
      Are you saying everytime we see “light” we can replace that word with fire? If so, replacing it ruins the metaphor in the sentence above.

      “And every light in the bible would of come from fire.”
      So… God created the lights, in Genesis, out of fire?

      Sure, fire produces light, but not every light has its source in fire.
      * and even that can be argued, for in hell there is fire, but complete darkness. =)

      • david carlson

        every human source of light was a flame. Oil lamp, candle, torch. I was imprecise in my connection. However, clearly the references to those passages is referring to a flame

    • Lyndon Unger

      Well David, I can see how you get there, but I’d warn you to be cautious with the whole biblical word-association thing.

      Psalm 119:1 & 105 are talking about allowing someone to see a path; the connotations of flames aren’t part of the metaphor and would be stretching it tremendously. Also, not all light came from fire – i.e. the sun? People in biblical times didn’t think that the sun was a giant ball of fire…

      When you then connect Psalm 119 and Matthew 5:14-16, you’re really stretching things…mostly because Matthew 5:14-16 doesn’t say that our life is a flame. It says that we are light, and light cannot be hidden (5:14), nor would sensible people attempt to hide light (5:15). Matthew 5:16 unpacks the metaphor and parallels the idea of “letting our light shine” with other people “seeing our good works”. In the passage, the “light” is our righteous deeds. Our lives are not a flame.

      Be careful of connecting passages on the basis of 2 common English words. That’s one of the exegetical mistakes that has led to more than a few cults.

  • leona bundy

    Are you sure you have all your facts with this?

    Zechariah 2:5

    For I,’ says the Lord, ‘will be a wall of fire all around her, and I will be the glory in her midst.’”

    This here refers to God himself being a protection/ power around Jerusalem, for her not against her.

    Matthew 3:11

    I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.

    This here indeed in not to destroy a person but to fill them with the ‘dunamis’ power of God – empowerment for service!

    Exodus 3:2

    New King James Version (NKJV)

    2 And the Angel of the Lord appeared to him in a flame of fire from the midst of a bush. So he looked, and behold, the bush was burning with fire, but the bush was not consumed.

    Also not a manner of destruction nor judgement but his presence that didn’t even harm the leaves on the bush? Not rain down judgement on Moses who was close.

    Isaiah 6:6-7

    New King James Version (NKJV)

    6 Then one of the seraphim flew to me, having in his hand a live coal which he had taken with the tongs from the altar.7 And he touched my mouth with it, and said:

    “Behold, this has touched your lips;
    Your iniquity is taken away,
    And your sin purged.”

    ‘Live coal’ meaning one on fire – used in this scripture for purging sin and removing iniquity. Used on Isaiah who was amongst a people deserving judgement but yet was cleansed not condemned.

    I could go on but the phrase ‘holy fire’ i believe is used in Charismatic circles for this purpose not the ones you have stated. We pray a wall of fire/ protection around someone – see Zachariah, we pray the fire of the Holy Spirit baptise someone see Matthew and even Luke, we pray fire of God in our lives that we may be purged and iniquity removed forcefully – see Isaiah. I understand your concept but there are key scriptures here that cannot be ignored too.

    • Lyndon Unger

      I don’t think you’re getting what I’m saying, but it also appears that you didn’t read me too closely. Allow me to be clear:

      Fire is used in multiple metaphors, but “passion” is never one of them.

      Zechariah 2:5 – The fire is still *real* fire. It’s real fire used in a metaphor, but the metaphor is one of how God will protect Israel. There’s no prescription for anyone to ask God for this, nor is it ever actually done by anyone in scripture.

      Matt. 3:11 – You’re assuming that the baptism of with the Spirit and the baptism with fire are the same. I’d love for you to not assume that which you should prove. Where exactly does the Bible tell you that the baptism of fire is “with the ‘dunamis’ power of God – empowerment for service!”?

      Exodus 3:2 – I never suggested that it was a manner of destruction or judgment. I suggested that the fire in Exodus 3 was, or at least appeared to be, actual physical fire. Perhaps you missed that part of the article.

      Isaiah 6:6-7 – “Live coal” carries the idea of “glowing”. It’s a different idea than being “on fire”, though they’re obviously related. Of the 6 times the word (ritspah) is used in the OT, every other instance refers to the marble-looking texture of pavement. The word doesn’t carry the connotation of being inflamed or being on fire.

      I could go on, but you may be surprised to know that I’ve actually had this conversation more than once. I believe that you’re right to suggest that “holy fire” is used in Charismatic circles for those reasons, but I think I’ve spared little effort in substantiating that those reasons ring fairly hollow and rely on a rather shallow reading of scripture.

      There are key scriptures that cannot be ignored. Every verse you pointed out to me I’ve already listed and engaged. Feel free to bring up a verse that I’ve actually neglected, and we can talk about that one.

  • Libs

    This is good, thank you.
    I have thought for some time that when I hear, “God, let your fire fall down” that those singing must not know that we are calling for God’s judgment. I’m so grateful this “fire” fell on Christ, for me. I normally drop my voice when we begin singing songs like this, or I change up the words to more biblical words.

    “Passion,” do we have a biblical definition, does it mean what we think it means?

    • Lyndon Unger

      Thanks for the kind words Libs!

      I’m definitely glad that God’s “fire” fell on Christ as well.

      As for “passion”, I think it means what I think it means…I think?

      What are you thinking?

  • Libs

    I’m not sure what I’m thinking, to be honest. I have noticed “passion” seems to be used in a negative sense in the NT. Gal. 5:24-26; Col. 3:5; Romans 1:26-27.
    I’ve been thinking on the word for a time, just wondering.
    I guess I should invest some time in a word study.

    • Libs

      oops…meant this as a reply to your comment below.

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